*** {Phoenix Project BBS Message Base File 2 of 3} *** ______________________________________________________________________________ Copyright (C) 1993 LOD Communications. No part of this Work may be distributed or reproduced, electronically or otherwise, in part or in whole, without express written permission from LOD Communications ______________________________________________________________________________ *** {General Sub-Board} *** < Q-scan General Discussion 1 - 132 msgs > 1/132: This Sub > Permanent Message Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Sun Jan 07 05:09:24 1990 This subboard is for general b.s. - you can talk about anything from who just got busted to sports to the headlines. This is also the proper place to plug other BBSes. Anything even mildly technical probably has its own subboard. You can get a list of subs by typing "*" and you can change subs at the main prompt by simply typing the number of the subboard you wish to go to. Mentor 2/132: Welcome Back Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Tue Jan 09 13:05:05 1990 Welcome back to Phoenix! Not everything is back together -- the transfer section, in particular, still needs some work. But I've started contacting our former users, and hope to have things back up to the normal speed by mid-February. Please advertise! Let everyone know that we're back! The Mentor Legion of Doom! 3/132: ... Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Tue Jan 09 13:47:47 1990 MAN...Ok, first off, everyone try REAL hard to get their messages right the first time...the edit commands are terrible... NOW: I heard that Continental airlines has some kind of Super-super saver fare in which you can fly one way anywhere for 9 bucks...Amazing? Yeah I thought so...so if that's the real story, there is no excuse for you people who have said time and time again that you'd like to go to TX to not actually come...(Ahem...DAN!). So, in any event, welcome to the bbs...I'm damn glad it's local! ->ME .s 4/132: One way to Houston... Name: Daneel Olivaw #9 Date: Tue Jan 09 18:18:20 1990 what a trip! $9 to Houston, $19 to Dallas I think.. not bad Daneel (Get it right the first time Erik) 5/132: airplanes Name: Silencer #31 Date: Sat Jan 13 02:16:40 1990 Really? where'd you here that? A comercial or what...if its true it looks like I'm headed towards LA next week....heheh......Also..one big greet to everyone new and old..... - Silencer/ DFKN 6/132: Well... Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Sat Jan 13 10:02:07 1990 I was kind of wrong... I read the ocntinental ad in the paper yesterday... It seems that this is some kind of Texas thing, you can fly all over texas, and to OK City, and to New Orleans for no more then $38 one way...I might go to New Orleans... Hell for $38...I spend more than that on beer every night it seems... ->ME 7/132: Morris update Name: Phiber Cut #34 Date: Sat Jan 13 12:54:00 1990 AM-HackersTrial 01-11 0370 ^AM-Hackers Trial,0381< Hackers Charged with Selling Computer Codes to Soviets on Trial< CELLE, West Germany (AP) _ Three West Germans ``hackers'' went on trial Thursday charged with selling Western military computer passwords and codes to the Soviets. Dirk Brzesinski, Peter Carl and Markus Hess were arrested last March after an investigation by U.S. and West German officials revealed they had obtained information giving them access to key military and research computers in the United States, Western Europe and Japan. A fourth man, 30-year-old Karl Koch, who was also arrested in the case, committed suicide in May. Brzesinski, 30, a computer specialist, told the court that Koch had come up with the idea of selling the information. ``We decided in 1986 to sell the information to the Soviets for 1 million marks ($605,000) to help them even out the technical know-how advantage of the West,'' Brzesinski said. Carl, 35, said he was responsible for contacting the Soviet trade mission in East Berlin, where he dealt with a contact identified only as ``Serge.'' Carl said he did not want to reveal anything more about the Soviets in court for fear of reprisals. Court records show Carl made at least 25 contacts with the Soviets and received a total of 90,000 marks ($54,500) for the information. According to Brzesinski, Koch before his death claimed he had managed to gain access to the U.S. Defense Department general databank known as Optimus. After the arrests last year, U.S. and West German news media reported that other computers the hackers entered included a NASA and a ``Star Wars'' research computer, as well as computers linked to nuclear weapons and energy research in Los Alamos, N.M., and the Fermi Laboratory in Illinois. However, U.S. officials said last year that although the hackers obtained sensitive codes and passwords to enter the computers, they were stopped short of obtaining any highly classified information. Investigators have said that codes and passwords from computers in Japan, Britain, France, Italy, Switzerland and West Germany were also obtained and sold to the Soviets. A verdict in the trial, scheduled to be completed in 12 sessions, is expected Feb. 8. The men face up to 15 years in prison each if convicted. AP-NR-01-11-90 2317EST< 8/132: Morris update Name: Phiber Cut #34 Date: Sat Jan 13 12:56:35 1990 AM-ComputerWorm 01-11 0504 AM-Computer Worm,0518< Berkeley Programmer Says Worm Hid Itself From Victims< By WILLIAM KATES= Associated Press Writer= SYRACUSE, N.Y. (AP) _ The ``worm'' program that paralyzed a nationwide computer network in November 1988 was designed so its victims wouldn't know how they were being attacked, a computer expert testified Thursday. Robert T. Morris' rogue program used several methods to worm its way into the Internet network, said Keith Bostic, a program analyst at the University of California at Berkeley. ``It was designed to break into as many computer systems as quickly as possible and escape detection as it was doing so,'' Bostic said on the second day of testimony in Morris' computer tampering trial in U.S. District Court. Morris, 25, of Arnold, Md., is charged under the 1986 Computer Fraud and Abuse Act with ``hacking'' into a federal computer network. If convicted, he faces as many as five years in prison and a $250,000 fine. Prosecutors allege he devised and unleashed a program that replicated wildly, immobilizing an estimated 6,000 computers linked to Internet, including those at NASA and several Air Force installations and universities. Defense attorney Thomas Guidoboni has said that Morris created the worm as a computer security experiment, but that he made a programming mistake that let the worm go berserk. Guidoboni said during opening statements that once Morris learned of the problems his program was causing, he tried to stop it, and when that failed, he tried to alert network users. But Bostic testified that no one in Berkeley's computer science research group received any warning about the worm from Morris. Four top computer programmers worked 16 hours to crack the worm's defenses, he said. According to Bostic, the worm entered the school's computer system by using two defects in the software used by the system and by solving passwords, either through a list built into the worm or by checking possible guesses against the computer's own internal dictionary. The worm also took advantage of the computers' ``trust'' for one another on the same system, a process by which a second computer will allow access to the system after seeing that an account already has been authorized by another computer on that system, Bostic said. The rogue program hid itself in four ways, he told jurors. It traveled via binary code, rather than a more easily read source code, and those parts of the program that could be read by a literate user were encrypted to further mask what the worm was doing, Bostic said. Morris' program also was set up so that it provided phony identification names when Berkeley's scientists were trying to trace it. The worm created more deception by periodically changing the program identification number attached to it by the Berkeley computer system, he testified. Bostic said the ``quick and powerful attack'' by the worm left no computer on the university system untouched. ``It would break into as many machines as it could, even machines it could not run on. It was completely indiscriminate,'' Bostic said. AP-NR-01-11-90 2112EST< 9/132: Morris Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Sat Jan 13 15:19:46 1990 So, how many of you think Morris will go to jail over this? How many think he'll get anything but community service? Mentor 10/132: Another update.... the case continues.... Name: Phiber Cut #34 Date: Sun Jan 14 08:06:59 1990 SYRACUSE, N.Y. (UPI) -- A graduate student said Friday it was ``pretty amazing'' to watch classmate Robert Morris break into a computer at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology with a program that could land the computer whiz in jail. Dawson Dean III testified that five days before Morris allegedly unleashed a destructive program called a ``worm,'' he showed Dean he could enter an MIT computer without the machine acknowledging the intrusion. ``The machine didn't know that he was logged in,'' said Dean, an MIT graduate and doctoral candidate at Cornell Univesity. ``It was pretty amazing.'' Morris, 25, of Arnold, Md., is the first person to be prosecuted under a portion of the 1986 Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. He was indicted in July on a charge of causing financial loss by intentionally introducing a program into a military and research computer network without authorization. If convicted, he faces up to five years in prison and a $250,000 fine. Dean said the incident on Oct. 28, 1988, was preceeded by Morris allowing him to look over his shoulder at a computer terminal on Cornell's Ithaca, N.Y., campus and scan a list of more than 400 passwords Morris had discovered. The passwords had been translated from an ``encrypted,'' or coded, form into English. ``There are 4,096 ways to encrypt a given password,'' Dean said. ``He said he had done it basically to see if it was possible to do.'' Dean said Morris gave him the ``impression'' a computer at Cornell spent four days running a program the defendant had designed to find the true spelling of the encrypted passwords. ``I asked him, `Is mine in the list?''' Dean said. ``I also asked him if the password of this other really obnoxious graduate student was (listed).'' Dean confirmed for Justice Department trial lawyer Ellen Meltzer the list he read that night was similar to one investigators found in computer files Morris maintained at Cornell. Dean testified Morris told him he would pursue a doctorate and career in computer languages and, although he already had extensive experience in computer security, did not plan to write his thesis on security issues. ``He told me he had hacked around with computers before,'' Dean said. Under cross examination from defense attorney David O'Brien, Dean said he thought the suspect's efforts to break computer security systems was the result of an inquisitive mind. ``He was a graduate student of computer science. You're learning to do research. It's a real natural instinct to want to learn how the thing works,'' Dean said. Earlier, William Johnston, a computer systems manager at the Lawrence Berkely Laboratory in California, said the worm did not at any time endanger cancer patients at the research center, but cost the lab in excess of $10,000 to purge the system. Morris was a 1988 Harvard University graduate attending his first semester of graduate school when, prosecuters argue, his program replicated out of control Nov. 2, 1988, and froze about 6,000 computers linked to the major military and research computer networks Internet and Arpanet. A Cornell investigation found Morris, who has been suspended from the university until September, worked alone on the program, which it termed a ``juvenile act that ignored the clear potential consequences.'' 11/132: The question is... Name: Daneel Olivaw #9 Date: Sun Jan 14 19:19:12 1990 how many think he should go to jail... and for how long? Daneel 12/132: long enough Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Sun Jan 14 21:38:38 1990 I think people who write viruses shouldn't be allowed to go free. This is a personal opinion, but mistakes do happen as you saw with that internet virus. I know that I would be highly pissed if the net went down under me. grey owl 13/132: well... Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Mon Jan 15 01:31:30 1990 I dunno, I think he'll get hit with about 750 hours of community service and maybe a hefty fine ($100,000 or so...) I doubt he'll do any time. Mentor 14/132: well Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Mon Jan 15 02:15:43 1990 Umm.. i dont disagree with the theory o viruses... what i do disagree wit is viruses which destroy systems. I a virus has a speciic task.. then by all means... go or it...but viruses which are deigned to destroy.. well.. only in the most dire o circumstances.. and even then.. Phoenix Jacking Out.. 15/132: Well... Name: Konica #47 Date: Mon Jan 15 15:57:50 1990 I know a guy that writes viruses all day on anyhing he possibly can to destroy a system. So when I get into anything I never trust him with anything. .s /e 16/132: Yeah... Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Mon Jan 15 17:23:21 1990 Poor Mr. Morris...rough having to live under Dad's shadow... hell, if the damn thing would have just worm-ed around like he had wanted...it would have been beautiful. Unfortunately, it had a minor flaw and caused the problems it did. What exactly did it overwrite? Portions of sendmail or something? I don't remember. Yo: Loyd, maybe you or I should type up that Communications & the ACM article on the whole episode. I thought it was really cool, and a lot of people on here probably haven't ever read it. ->ME 17/132: hmm.. Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Mon Jan 15 17:48:44 1990 did morris ind the bug in sendmail himsel, or did he read it somewhere... and has anyone ever tried using that bug 18/132: right Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Mon Jan 15 18:01:53 1990 I don't like viruses at all...just because of those unlikely mishaps that happened with the internet worm. It's just too risky. Either that or Morris wasn't careful enough. grey owl 19/132: worm Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Mon Jan 15 21:32:44 1990 Well, it wasn't the overwriting that caused a problem. He put a mechanism in it that "queried" a target system - if the worm was already installed, it would ignore the system. But he decided that this would be an easy way to defeat it, so set the thing to go ahead and re-install on about 1 in 1000 systems. He figured this would hit a couple a day - it turned out that it could be several hundred per hour. This clogged up the internet lines and slowed things down massively. (Yes, there were other symptoms - but this is the most obvious.) There are a couple of people on here who are testifying at that trial. We'll have to ask them for a summary once they're done. (Yes, I know they can't talk about it until it's over.) Mentor 20/132: transfer section! Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Mon Jan 15 22:27:44 1990 Ok, I've gotten a bunch of stuff uploaded to the transfer section. If anyone has issues #1-21 of Phrack already broken up into separate files (anyone who was on the original Phoenix may have d/l'ed them from here, even), please upload them. I don't want to go through the hassle of splitting them up again. When you are uploading files, unless you are in a specific computer section (i.e. Apple, IBM, etc.), please use a standard ARC program (not ZIP or PAK or LZH!). This way, most people can download them. I'll try to have the gfiles up within a week - but they're a significant pain in the butt. Mentor 21/132: ... Name: Tak/Scan #44 Date: Mon Jan 15 22:40:45 1990 Yeah great. L{ts keep the UPLOADS{Coming in.i] Darn Line Noise. hehehe Tak/Scan Sysopf Of the Fourth Dimension The 4th Dimension! 619-745-1xxx. Login PW-SPECTRUM. Newuser PW-Gunship. 22/132: Worm, et al. Name: Phiber Cut #34 Date: Tue Jan 16 06:54:56 1990 For those of you who are on the internet, read comp.docs and get rfc1135. This is yet another article on the worm. It summarizes/reviews all previously written worm articles (i.e., Eugene Spaffords, etc.), explains in lay terms what actually happened (how the sendmail and fingerd holes worked and were exploited). It also has a very complete and very lengthy bibliography for anyon e interested in reading up on the worm. 23/132: Bug Name: Phase Jitter #3 Date: Tue Jan 16 09:42:12 1990 The sendmail bug, I'm quite sure, was just the sendmail -bs WIZ bug.. That's been around forever! 24/132: phracks... Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Tue Jan 16 13:29:27 1990 Sure.... I'll upload 'em tonite. DS 25/132: sendmail bug Name: Phiber Cut #34 Date: Wed Jan 17 19:58:46 1990 Phase... if you're talking about the sendmail bug "that been around forwever", I assume you're talking about the hole in the bsd versions 2 and 4 sendmail. Actually, it's not really a hole. Basically, it reads in 256 (?) bytes for and address. However, if you send 256 bytes of garbage, any other information flows over into the receiveing system (like worm source instructions, etc). 26/132: well Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Thu Jan 18 01:54:17 1990 and does it still work ? 27/132: phracks Name: Silencer #31 Date: Thu Jan 18 05:26:55 1990 Well...if you want em....and no one gets em....I think most of that stuff (including the LOD tech journals and all that kinda stuff) can be found on Atlantis. am having trouble d/ling from there or I;d get em for ya. 28/132: Sorry for delaying... Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Thu Jan 18 12:29:23 1990 I'll post 'em (Mentor gave 'em to me about 1 year ago)... I was just waiting to know how he wants 'em uploaded. BTW, Mentor, Someone fixed phrack 9 so, that wont be corrupted, but 2 issues ARE still missing. DS 29/132: ..... Name: Tak/Scan #44 Date: Fri Jan 19 20:51:12 1990 ATTN- NAME- The Fourth Dimension Underground Number- 619-745-1xxx Login: SPECTRUM NEW USER PW: GUNSHIP 90 Megz! 100% Amiga FILES! Brand NEW BBS! growing fast alot of Expert conversations \\on the hour! Call now.. Tak/Scan TFD/PPP! 30/132: Arc Name: Johnny Hicap #45 Date: Fri Jan 19 21:56:04 1990 Does anyone have a Commodore 64 arc program? If so, can you upload it for me.... 31/132: phrack... Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Sat Jan 20 02:58:54 1990 Welp, Phrack magazine is dead. Those of you who pay attention to BITNET know that the phrack accounts at U of M have been shut down. The story is as follows... Government agents (not sure of the dept., probably SS) have apparently been monitoring the e-mail of the Phrack kids (Knight Lightning & Taran King) for some time now. Apparently, a portion of a file sent to them (and subsequently published) contained copyrighted information. This is all they needed. They have now seized the entire Phrack net mailing list (over 500 accounts), plust every piece of information that Randy & Craig have (and they have a *LOT*) on real names, addresses and phone numbers. This is evolving directly out of the busts of three LOD members (Urvile, Leftist & Prophet). The Prophet (who is on probation) is apparently being threatened with a prison term if he doesn't cooperate. We don't know for sure if he cooperated or not, but what would you do in the same position? The same officials are apparently *VERY* interested in our co-sys, Mr. Bloodaxe. His net account is being watched, etc. I'll let him tell the story. Anyone wishing to communicate with Erik or myself should do so through the board only. I will be adding a secure (and I mean fucking secure) encryption routine into the e-mail in the next 2 weeks - I haven't decided exactly how to implement it, but it'll let two people exchange mail encrypted by a password only known to the two of them. Hmmmm... carry this conversation to the programming board. Anyway, I do not think I am due to be busted, but then again, I don't do anything but run a board. Still, there is that possibility. I assume that my lines are all tapped until proven otherwise. There is some question to the wisdom of leaving the board up at all, but I hae (have) personally phoned several government investigators and invited them to join us here on the board. If I begin to feel that the board is putting me in any kind of danger, I'll pull it down with no notice - I hope everyone understands. It looks like it's sweeps-time again for the feds. Let's hope all of us are still around in 6 months to talk about it. The Mentor Legion of Doom! 32/132: hmm Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Sat Jan 20 07:50:12 1990 this is getting truly annoying.. Phoenix 33/132: Phrack, etc... Name: Phiber Cut #34 Date: Sat Jan 20 09:30:10 1990 RE: phrack... I sounds to me as though the "SS" was really reaching. I mean, to get them on "copyright" violations is sort of like that had such a hard on for the phracboys it was as though they went after gangsters with income tax evasion! What is the legality of them spreading all of this information that they have obtained throughout the world? I mean, if they got names, etc.., isn't that private information? Do they or wl they publish all of it to the maniacsout there? 34/132: More news.... Name: Phiber Cut #34 Date: Sat Jan 20 09:41:23 1990 AM-MilitaryHackers 01-18 0693 M-Military Hackers,0716< Break-In Shows Military Computer Vulnerable _ Prosecutor< SAN JOSE, Calif. (AP) _ Three Silicon Valley computer workers have been charged with breaking into government and telephone company computers in a case that prosecutors said Thursday demonstrates the vulnerability of those systems. The three are accused of committing what may be the first electronic invasion of a military computer network, according to one expert. A federal indictment charges them with obtaining flight orders for a military training exercise, of eavesdropping on private telephone conversations and getting FBI information on associates of the late Philippine president Ferdinand Marcos. The case ``does signal a vulnerability'' in the Pentagon's computers, U.S. Attorney Joseph Russoniello said Thursday at a news conference in San Francisco. The indictment, unsealed Wednesday in U.S. District Court in San Jose, is one of the first in the nation to use federal criminal statutes directed at computer crime, said assistant U.S. Attorney Robert K. Crowe in a news release. The charges, Crowe said, reveal ``the extreme vulnerability of the phone network.'' Charged were Kevin L. Poulsen, 24, a former employee of SRI International, a Menlo Park computer consulting company; Mark K. Lottor, 25, a current SRI employee; and Robert E. Gilligan, 31, who worked for computer-maker Sun Microsystems. ``Poulsen could do whatever he wanted to do with the telephone system as well as with government computers,'' Crowe said Wednesday. The three are charged with 19 counts of conspiracy; computer fraud; fraud involving computer access devices; using fictitious names or addresses; possession of electronic wiretapping devices; falsely repesenting a social security number; interception of electronic communications; embezzlement and theft of public property. Poulsen is named in 17 counts involving all of the offenses; Lottor is named in five counts and Gilligan named in seven counts. If convicted, Lottor and Gilligan face 20 years in prison and fines of $30,000. Poulsen could be sentenced to 37 years in prison and a $50,000 fine. According to the indictment, Poulsen used common burglary tools including surgical gloves, powdered graphite and lock picks, and forged a Pacific Bell employee card to steal the telecommunications equipment and access codes from the regional phone company's offices. Gilligan and Poulsen are accused of trafficking in codes that allow access to government computers through electronic mail. The pair got access to the Army's Masnet Computer Network, the indictment said without detailing uses of the computer. In late 1987 and early 1988, Poulsen got air tasking orders for a military exercise at Fort Bragg, N.C., called CPX Caber Dragon, the indictment said. The information, secret at the time, has been declassified because the event has already taken place, Russoniello said. The Marcos information was a computer list of phone numbers and cable assignments of Marcos and others that related to an FBI investigation, the indictment said. Peter G. Neumann, a computer security expert at SRI, said this was the first case he knew in which classified information was allegedly obtained by computer break-ins. The indictment accuses Poulsen of using his computer knowledge to obstruct the investigation into his alleged activities. Gilligan and Lottor were expected to surrender voluntarily. Poulsen, who called federal authorities but manipulated the computer so the call couldn't be traced, remained at large. Poulsen quit SRI in 1988 and took a job at Sun but later moved back to Los Angeles to live with his parents, said Donn Parker, security expert and senior management consultant with SRI. Poulsen was hired by SRI despite company officials' belief he once broke into a computer at the University of California, Los Angeles, Parker said. ``The people who hired him did know he had some hacker experience in his background, but he was a very bright guy,'' Parker said. They considered the earlier incident youthful excess, he said. The indictment doesn't indicate what authorities believe the men intended to do with the military secrets, but Parker said Poulsen told him several years ago that his youthful exploits were motivated by curiosity. ``I knew him as a typical young hacker. At least in past conversations he told me he was motivated by curiosity and the challenge to get into systems,'' Parker said. AP-NR-01-18-90 1936EST< 35/132: Phrack and Pac*Hell Name: Ripper #51 Date: Sat Jan 20 21:05:55 1990 Well- A copyright infringment isn't all that major that the SS would bust them for just that. I'm willing to bet they intercepted something bigger than a simple copyright piracy case. Although they would be interested since the information is being transported accross state (and quite likly) national boundries. About the San Jose case, sounds like they just got access to the TAN (Technical Access Network), and went from there. Along with their other antics, they'll prob get a prison term, because they are really strict on the wiretap bit. I don't get the part about the false names and addresses. The courts have said in the past, you can just pick a name out of the blue and use it, and you can give any kind of information (like a false address or phone number for instance) as long as the documentation is not for an official purpose and is not intended to defraud someone. I noticed Peter Neumann in there, he's a guy to listen to, and many of you might reconize him from the Risks forum on the net. He is one of the few public figures involved in computers that knows which way is up. Recap- Phrack will most likly get a slap on the wrist, but will have a sober look at the world, and won't be inclinded to be as high profile as they were. The San Jose case, I'm betting it'll turn high profile, and there will be alot of pressure for a nice long lock up. Most of this is based on my dealings with local, state, and federal law, as well as experience I gain while working for the County of San Diego. . 36/132: phrack Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Sat Jan 20 21:36:56 1990 I would think they knew of dealings between phrack & hackers/phreakers, but they had to have some real evidence in order to get in, once they did, they found much info that would make for a good prosecution... As any hacker knows, its the little things that matter DS 37/132: The Bottom line. Name: The Parmaster #21 Date: Sun Jan 21 10:05:38 1990 The bottom line is..a crackdown. We can now expect a crackdown because of the shit wiht the virus,the boys in cali,and the phrack kids.... The phrack boys were just the start, i'm sure of it.. I just hope that i can pull through this one..and that my friends can also. This is the time to watch yourself... No matter what you are into.. whether it's just codes,cards,etc... Apparently the government has seen the last straw in their point of view. Unfortunately with all of this in the news now, they will be able to get more government money to combat hackers. And thats BAD fucking news for us. I think they are going after all the "teachers" etc/.. people who educate others into this sort of thing.. (which i didn't need to say because it's obvious after what happened to randy & craig) i wonder if they think that maybe these remote cases are linked in any way.. The only way they can probably see is that we are hackers.. And so that is where their energies will be put.. To stop ALL hackers..and stop people BEFORE they can becomea threat.. After they wipe out the educators taht is. Just a theory. Par, Jason 38/132: Phrack Name: Phiber Cut #34 Date: Sun Jan 21 13:09:20 1990 It's a scarry thought... - How did the intercept the information?? - An informatn, ok, that's legal.... but how private is electronic mail? Per haps we need a sub board to discuss some of these LEGAL issues... 39/132: ripper Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Sun Jan 21 17:12:22 1990 Well, I know TK & KL pretty well, and they've been paranoid about doing *anything* illegal. I think the SS just had a hard-on to hassle them and this was the only excuse that they could come up with... Mentor 40/132: Well, Name: Warf #81 Date: Sun Jan 21 21:47:05 1990 I have somewone that is saying that he's gona' turn me into the pigs. IF something happends to me then don't worry. I'm gona' lay low for a while about a week or so.. so just dont' worry, BUT if something does start to involve you's then don't worry,, it won't.. heheh! <=[Warf]=> 41/132: Phrack Name: The Dictator #43 Date: Mon Jan 22 01:19:32 1990 Im not sure what to make out of the Phrack. I think the SS, FBI, and whoever has been waiting to bust them so long on ANYTHING that they waiting untill TK KL crossed the line in any way. I mean, hell..TK and KL were paraniod, and they suspected everything..so they stopped..and the SS, FBI and whoever had nothing to go on... Parmaster was right, TK and KL were "eductors"..a lot of hacks/phreaks looked up to them..maybe the SS and FBI thought that maybe if they couldnt get the little guys, then to go for "the big guys"..(same philosophy of the drug war, eh? Get the dealers, not the users?) Oh well.. I dunno..thats just my opinion... Shit, the public doesnt understand us enough for the government to declare war on us... Maybe if you collect everyones opinion on this, we can come to ONE conclusion.. The Dictator 42/132: Phrack Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Mon Jan 22 02:40:13 1990 Craig was very upset when I talked to him a few days ago. The Secret Service had been to their school and had taken all information off of their public accounts through the university...this included the ENTIRE phrack internet mailing list, future files, old issues, various lists of info on people they knew, etc... Craig assured me that they didn't go through his room, or even mess with his pc, but that didn't matter, as they got enough from the system at school. The problems stem from various articles published through Phrack, most specifically an article dealing with E911 that was written by The Prophet. They have said that this was stolen from a computer system, and was accepted and distributed knowing that it was illegally obtained propriatary information. (The Prophet was one of the 3 LOD members busted this summer in Atlanta) This led to various questions dealing with LOD in general and a great deal of hazing towards Craig. For the most part, they pulled the same crap: "We know what you did, so if you're smart you'll talk, or we'll make your life shit." And the other approach, "Look, we know you're a smart kid with a bright future and we really wouldn't want to see you fuck things up." Basic cop bullshit. Craig was visited first by 3 agents, and Randy was supposedly to be visited the following day. (They are at different schools now) They were interested in the Telenet Directory, The EFT Files, which by now, everyone knows that I wrote, since they had been grabbing the boys e-mail. That pisses me off greatly, as Electronic Mail is supposed to be covered under the same protection as regular mail now, or so I understood. I thought it was a felony to interfere with peoples mail. Can you commit a felony, to stop a suspected one from occurring? I hope not...hell, maybe Noriega is in charge now... In anycase, I think I'm in for a world of shit... 43/132: MY feelings about this fucked up situation Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Mon Jan 22 03:31:01 1990 I do not live in a fascist country...or so I thought. INformation is withheld, people are threatened daily by an elite group of Government thugs who operate above the law, hell, what do you call that kind of bullshit? I'm growing more and more pissed by the minute...if I do get nabbed, which I semi-expect to, so you SS boys take a good look at this, I am dangerous. Maybe not in a physical manner, although I'm kinda suicidal, and don't know how I'll be on any given day, and I've only tried to kill my roomate once with a big knife, and I've only broken wine bottles over two people... But, I am dangerous in that I'm quite eloquent and VERY outspoken on topics about which I feel strongly. Guess what? I kinda have a personal leaning towards computer crime. Think carefully about reprocussions world-wide when reporters find out just how insecure your precious Internet is, or think about the stock fluctuations on Fortune 500 companies when their shareholders find out just how easily the company cuuld be shut down for a few days with a few keystrokes, or consider the implications following just a few choice comments about the lack of security at large banking institutions...hell, How fucking skilled does someone have to be to sit on a nua and capture every fucking Saudi Visa? (No offense Par) but that shit is totally rediculous. Security is pathetic, and the ones who can fix it, or at least point it out are supressed, and placed in jail. Fuck that. If that's what you expect to do to me, then you had better be prepared to blow my fucking head off when you kick in the door, because I will be heard. ->ME 44/132: Another thing... Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Mon Jan 22 03:57:05 1990 Warf: who the hell are you that your bust could worry anyone but yourself? Hell, I know I'll be up all night now. Hell, maybe your problems all stem from posting bad things on bbses where they don't belong. I'm still pissed...everyone else ignore me, things get clearer on a few subboards after this...WARF fucked up...don't you be next. ->ME 45/132: Attention Feds Name: Black Magic #54 Date: Mon Jan 22 04:26:40 1990 Being Mr. Bloodaxe's roommate I do have one small request. We sleep late around here, so please delay any breaking down of doors or other noisy activity until after 12:00 pm. His room is the one on the RIGHT at the top of the stairs just to avoid confusion (our descriptions are very similar and I realize that you fucks aren't all that bright.) Also, be sure not to let the cat out. Just prop the door back up on it's hinges or put him in a bathroom while exercising the warrant. Thanks, Chris (what a coincidence huh) 46/132: Hum... Name: Warf #81 Date: Mon Jan 22 07:41:16 1990 I think the way this is set up is wierd. I loged on new the other day and I could read all of the messages and all of the message beses. Hum... so that means that some cop get's the number right? And then he sees all of these phreakers and stuff and then boom. We're all gona' be with each other in the same cell for about 5 yrs min... Hum.. SysOp, could you make it a LITTLE more secure? Just helpin' out... <=[Warf]=> 47/132: well Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Mon Jan 22 09:21:39 1990 as long as nothing illegal is not posted.. the board is ine.. well... All i have to say is that i ss/eds/or in my case CIA start playing dirty.. we have been very nice in general about everything.. In act I cannot think o anytime when i have bought a system down.. But i it comes to it... we can ight ire with ire.. coz i seriously agree wiuth erik.. and when you guys start breaking the law to get at us... well.. what the hell is the law or... i never liked the damn thing anyway.. jesus.. as a inal note... i will set up some sort o insurance... not just or mysel... but or anyone who needs it... and cant provide it or themselves.. we can play below board just as much as any authorities can... so there Phoenix 48/132: security Name: Phase Jitter #3 Date: Mon Jan 22 10:51:04 1990 The reason you could read everything is because this board is for education purposes. It is not used for ANY illegal information trading. There is no point to have it secured, because there is nothing illegal on here.. Phase Jitter Legion o' Doom! (The few, the proud) 49/132: dumb feds Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Mon Jan 22 14:11:13 1990 Kill 'em all..as I like to say. Seriously, what can they prove if you are a safe hacker? (hacking via outdials, phreaking with divertors only..no codes etc. nothing traceable) They can't prove a damn thing. So what do they do, but nail you on something trivial like copyright violation. All that shows is that they have such a weak case that there is nothing solid to bust on. Enough rambling for this paragraph... What we need to do is set up a hackers network where everyone has their hands in a few systems. That way, we have this sort of insurance that Phoenix talked about: if one hacker gets busted 2 systems _die_. 2 hackers get busted 4 systems bite the dust. 3 hackers...9 systems. They need to quit messing with people who wouldn't otherwise be harmful to the computer world. I know there are freeloaders around that get their kicks from trashing Apple][ boards and unixes, but this doesn't represent the majority of the hacker population. It sure doesn't represent me! grey owl 50/132: busts Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Mon Jan 22 15:33:56 1990 I dont think that would be a very wise idea... It would just cause the "authorities" and the general public to look toward us as destroyers, not explorers... The ONLY times I have killed a system is when I really get pissed off that the sysop keeps changing all the operator passwords (well... so maybe i am a little malicious at times, but not like some people on this board) DS 51/132: Arg... Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Mon Jan 22 18:22:55 1990 Wiping out systems as a means of retribution, or vengance for a fellow hacer's bust is NOT a good idea. You cannot take a bully approach when dealing with the world biggest bully (The US Government) you will lose. You have only one manner of defense, and that is to outsmart your opponent, or to publicly humiliate him when faced with immediate danger. By the way: Phoenix, how come you can never type an "f" when it's in a word, but when you are complaining about your broken "F" key, it shows up fine? COnfused as to the wonders of technology... ->ME 52/132: Back Phracks... Name: Pain Hertz #84 Date: Mon Jan 22 21:59:17 1990 Whoever ul the back phracks, I have 29 and 30 if they are needed and a local doesn't have them. -PHz 53/132: hello Name: Phelix The Hack #89 Date: Mon Jan 22 23:28:09 1990 hello all, to those that know why..leave me mail...and you SHOULD know who you are as I have not talked to you for 7 mos or so...SO GET ON THE STICK. to everyone else..well you can leave me mail if you choose..but ... pth 54/132: Resistance Name: Jedi #67 Date: Tue Jan 23 01:42:42 1990 We came across a fun article on p/h and pirating as a form of "post-modern" resistance by a coupla academic types. If anybody wants, I can dig up a copy and upload it 55/132: well Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Tue Jan 23 06:48:33 1990 maybve we should think about what type o insurance we need.. ok.. agreed... bringing down systems will only piss them off more.. and make us look even worse.. public humiliation... that would do it... but not all individuals who get bustedhave the resources to deend themselves with... also... once your information is bought out in public.. your cards are played.. and then they will tear you apart.. i think the saest thing here is a little bit o blackmail if you have something that they really dont want aqnyone to know about.. still... im open to suggestions... phoenix 56/132: well.... Name: Ravage #19 Date: Tue Jan 23 13:23:30 1990 seems to me that the best way to embarass them would be to obtain and publish the internal files. many of these contain memoranca and notes on activities that were not used in court, because of various legal questions, and were only used for background. i understand that there is a group of police enforcement officials who have a unofficial and under the table groupl who share information on a lot of folks. houston and la were kicked out a couple of years ago because officers would release the info into the public domain. as to the copyright info. try to get it through the library or the field service engineer. if it can be gotten that way it cant be called proprietary and my experience w/ field engineers is that they will get just about everything you could ask for if you can give them specifics about what you want. 57/132: Savage Name: Signal Type #69 Date: Tue Jan 23 14:44:33 1990 Well I agree with the above posts regarding the proper way with to deal with authorities. You should not use any violent means to take down or destroy systems. That will only make them more than not to come down on you harder. By the way did anyone hear the news on that guy who got busted for breaking into a government mainframe? I didn't get all the details but it seemed he is facing up to $$200,000 in f fines and a possible five year prison term. A pretty stiff price. $$$$$$Signal Type$$$$$ .s 58/132: morris Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Tue Jan 23 21:57:27 1990 Robert Morris was found guilty. If he's sentenced to do time, it'll be a *very* bad precedent. Mentor 59/132: BLackmail? Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Tue Jan 23 22:51:58 1990 Geez...I'd like to think myself above things like that... In anycase, not everyone has GOOD sensitive information...(not all of us who ARE in this country have the balls to dig where that type of crap is...god I want to move to Australia!) Maybe they'll kick me out of the country! Right...I'm not that important, although I would like to think that I am...hehe hell, maybe it IS time to start doing all the terrible things I always had the capabilities to do on the internet...need to get some "Insurance" maybe...who knows... ->ME 60/132: well Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Wed Jan 24 01:29:23 1990 like i said... im open to better ideas.. coz i we do have sensitive ino... then no matter what we do with it... it will be termed blackmail.. Phoenix4 61/132: Morris Convicted Name: Phiber Cut #34 Date: Wed Jan 24 04:43:24 1990 If RTM get's jail time we should all be suprised. What he did was morrally and ethically wrong, and he fucked upt and will now have to pay the piper. However, hej is a very bright person and should not be put in a jail cell with a bunch of hardended ass f**king criminals! Hopefully he'll get some sort of community service and a fine, and this will be enough to kkeep him from fucking up the network in the future. 62/132: i understand... Name: Ravage #19 Date: Wed Jan 24 14:34:03 1990 that the prosecution had a hard time showing malitous (sp!) intent. does anyone know if that is true? if it is true then i doubt he will get any time. probably a fine, community service, a probated time. what is the latest on the ccc guys? have they taken them out and shot them yet? in my previous post i was refering to the publication, through tv, radio,and paper, of sensitive information held by organizations. it would not have to be identified as to sender. therer are plenty of underground, small town, press services (hey how about the gossip rags?) that would be ideal to send that kind of stuff to. not only that but what about the up wire? you could put it in que and it would go all over. 63/132: gossip rags Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Wed Jan 24 19:08:07 1990 If it went to the Enquirer they would just claim that Enquirer made it all up. If the information got to NBC's evening news they might just take it and run. It would make a good news story if what Phoenix says is true. Maybe blackmail or internet death threats are the answer. "I'll take down Inet unless bloodaxe goes free!" grey owl 64/132: 2 new subs, & vote! Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Wed Jan 24 19:51:24 1990 We've got two new subs online - We The People (now #2) and Internet (#8). Also, please take the time to vote... Mentor 65/132: oh Name: Dtmf #27 Date: Thu Jan 25 02:58:38 1990 RE: phrack... Just how much of a problem will it be if an account is on the Phrack mailing list for bitnet?? Uh oh.... 66/132: and... Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Thu Jan 25 15:26:36 1990 would those accounts be gone already? I had 2 accounts that i had contacted & conversed with TK, and they are both bad (coincedence?) DS 67/132: things... Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Thu Jan 25 16:45:23 1990 Don't worry about your name being on the Phrack mailing list...a lot of peoples were... I am going to try to get the mailing list myself, so we can keep people flooded with files and shit like that...not Phrack, but something... Randy & Craig shouldn't bitch, as hell, the feds already have it...why shouldn't a friend? If they still say no, I'll make my own list and start from there... ->ME 68/132: Hey ... Name: Sicilumm Thorne #28 Date: Thu Jan 25 20:28:57 1990 re: phrack Erik, what's wrong with the continual releasal of Phrack. Why not go ahead and release Phrack 31 (32?). I mean seriously, what more could piss of the feds (or whoever). I mean it. Seriously, if we just start some new newsletter, its not going to be any different, but by their viewpoint, they'd have destroyed a publication that is dated as far back as 1986 or 1985. If we continue to release Phrack's, and I mean put some HARRY shit in there, we would show them that they cannot just pull us down. We're unified, we're strong, and we're willing to stand up to them. [Of course, I don't mean personally. grin.] "They tell me it will hurt me on down the line, but I don't care. I'm young and stupid." Sic. 69/132: phracks Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Thu Jan 25 22:02:20 1990 Why not come up an almost untraceable method of distributing phracks thru internet? (IE many distributions originating from nowwhere via smtp to many people at a time) DS (we could use the existing phrack mailing list if you can get it,Erik) 70/132: Thats damn easy Name: Guc #97 Date: Fri Jan 26 06:04:31 1990 just an estimate, how many people were on the mailing list? heh, we could even send them out using richard stallmans account! .s 71/132: heh Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Fri Jan 26 10:06:26 1990 I believe there were about 500 people on the list... Mentor 72/132: yea... Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Fri Jan 26 16:23:40 1990 And, I was just wondering, because my account went bad just 2 days (approximately) after I had just finished discussion with TK about setting up an FTP site for the phracks... I know I was on it because I got some letter (to 2 of my accounts, which both are dead now) talking about a pirate-oriented newsletter organized like phrack... I just thought it is very much a possibility that that is the reason it got deleted. DS 73/132: ya know... Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Fri Jan 26 17:15:32 1990 Phrack is Randy & Craigs baby...I would have to respect their wishes about using the name...I doubt they would want me to use it...they'd probably let Forest Ranger run it into the ground before they'd let me, but that's the way they probably think... I'd rather start something a little better written, better formatted, with better articles under a different name. ->ME 74/132: that Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Fri Jan 26 22:25:07 1990 sounds like something I would have done. Most of the articles were well written, I think but there were a few things that I would have changed. grey owl 75/132: Phrack etc.... Name: Pain Hertz #84 Date: Sat Jan 27 01:43:38 1990 Okay, I haven't been on for a few days and I just went through a slew of messages. First off, I happen to know a guy who is security at TK and KL's school (TK's ex-school). This guy, he says that he knows nothing about the mess and seemed to think it was a big story. I don't know if he is just blowing hot air up my ass or what...probably. He said he would keep his ears open for me, probably back stab, we shall see. I agree with all of those that say Phrack (or another newsletter/magazine) should continue. Those close to KL and TK should talk to them about a name. I had written an article for Phrack 31, which I am willing to submit for this new venture if it gets off the ground. About distribution, I know of a few anonymous FTP sites that will let you PUT stuff. Usually folks use these to swap .GIF files, but they could be used for whatever. Perhaps a 'girlie' magzine could be created. PUT the newsletter, a text file, as a name like FATBABE.GIF. Those that GET it either know what it is or think their .GIF viewer is fried. Anyone who GETs it not knowing what it is and finds out, so what? It doesn't have to have anyones addresses in it. Whats your opinion friend? About gettting even/back, blackmail etc. Being destructive is not good for previously posted reasons. How about us collectively writing a story and sending it to the AP or something? We, as a team, can get the story better than any reporter. I seriously thought about calling the damn SS saying i'm Dan Rather or something and asking what the deal with Randy and Craig is. What the FEDS did with this pseudo-bust is only gain information about who is *who* and where etc. This is the easiest information for them to get anyways. Often thats because of p/h -ers narcing on each other (read the PHRACK circle trilogy if you haven't). If the SS knew that Joe Hacker did something and they found out that Joe Hacker's internet address is such in such. They know that some one calling themself (lves?) Joe Hacker used that account. Whether it was the real owner or not remains to be proved. The burden of proof is on them. Still, if handles didn't matter, no one would use them anyways. well shit. this is getting long.... Subscribe to VIRUS-L at LEHIIBM1, I have the director of CERT's net address: its rdp@sei.cmu.(???).edu (Richard Pethia). -PHz 76/132: screw it.. Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Sat Jan 27 07:26:42 1990 distribution is damn damn easy... smtp every where for one.. and a shit load of other things will work most merrily.. Phoenix 77/132: Why? Name: The Parmaster #21 Date: Sat Jan 27 09:38:59 1990 Why just "send it" to AP Just take over the damn system and release it. that way you KNOW it';s done.. and it's sent out almost immediately. Later, Par Jason 78/132: Getting scarry.... Name: Johnny Hicap #45 Date: Sat Jan 27 21:17:01 1990 It is getting scarry as hell now a days. I know of three hackers that got busted in the last couple of days, ther handles will not be released by me but those who know them are probably shocked. I can't beleiveûß it. Situation: Someone gets busted for prgming switches, hacking LMOS, COSMOS, and all the þòother phone company comp. He calls me from his line the next day to tell me..(Direct) Question: Do you think they are now monortoring me? Afer all he did call me direct. They probably are... 79/132: UT micom/network annex Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Sat Jan 27 22:03:45 1990 Well, it looks like everyones pushed the UT administrators to disabling all links from off-campus... We can no longer telnet to off-campus sytems thru network... For awhile you could use UTAUS, but know logins there are disabled because they are turning off the cabality to telnet off-campus. I was on EMX just a few minutes ago telnet'ing to frosted-flakes.ai.mit.edu when I was kicked off, and I keep getting kicked off (same thing that happens at the annex when you tryo telnet off-campus). All those people shouldnt have used the systems to hack so much and (mainly this) play GAMES like TINYMUD! The UT administrators were getting tired of all the annex ports always being full. DS plus, not to mention, all the security problems that they have had with the Suns.) Maybe it has to do with people changing passwords on "act" accounts...... You know who you are !!!! 80/132: people who abuse Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Sat Jan 27 23:49:09 1990 Look: I have one thing to say to people who screw up/abuse/ruin systems for other hackers...you suck. There is no point in screwing something, otherwise a perfectly good system, for everyone else. If you get your kicks from trashing systems for the hell of it, your shouldn't call yourself a hacker. Maybe asshole would be a good term for these people. grey owl 81/132: re: ppl who abuse... Name: Pain Hertz #84 Date: Sun Jan 28 02:20:45 1990 The true hacker works hard to make their presence unknown. Screwing up accounts or a system is easy. nuff said -PHz 82/132: Things... Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Sun Jan 28 13:31:38 1990 First off...if the "BUST" you are referrong to is Mark & Joey and some other Queens punk, I think that is bullshit. A friend of mine talked to Mark a few days ago (after the reported bust) and Mark said nothing about it. Programming switches, hacking LMOS...busted...well, we'll see. If it is true, hell, chalk up another LOD bust and we'll scratch Phiber Optik off the active list... Mark? You been busted boy? Another thing...Dark Sun: you little thug...I didn't change the pw on your fucking act account, so stop your incessant whining about it...accounts on the disney suns are terribly easy to run through a dictionary hacker, so do that if you so desparately want back on them...there is NOTHING there...and if a CHAT thing ends up on there and I find it, I'll be pissed off...run that off of ugwa, or whatever. Why do you want on there anyway? Why do you have to make such a big deal with the fucking public access unixes? THERE IS NOTHING ON THOSE SYSTEMS!!! I will not lose my account due to someone hacking off of the disney suns...ok? jesus...is that asking too fucking much? ->ME 83/132: hmm Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Sun Jan 28 14:08:56 1990 i changed the password on that act account.. got root off it too.. umm.. ut still lets you call off campus if you use the right systems... by the way... what is that instructional vax cluster used for ? phoenix 84/132: yeah... Name: Guc #97 Date: Sun Jan 28 16:49:33 1990 RE: hmm you can get off campus IF you use a password on a system and do it from there. (ie: cs, if, emx, etc...) But without a password there is noway to get off campus. i asked a friend of mine at the computation center about this and he said it was done mainly because people were hack/trashing systems on the internet, and even more so a bunch of 12 year olds somehow found out about tinymud. one afternoon i saw 7 annex ports logged into tinymud from portal1. gah .s 85/132: phoenix Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Sun Jan 28 17:24:04 1990 I was talking about phoenix... He said he was going to change it back but then decided to keep it for himself... And I know how easy it is to run thru a dictionary hacker (check act's home dir...) Erik didnt even know the passwd (Idont think) DS 86/132: !@#)(* Name: Phiber Cut #34 Date: Sun Jan 28 22:54:40 1990 John M??? T%hat wouldn't be as in "Cable Pair" would it? 87/132: no.. Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Mon Jan 29 02:48:09 1990 i didnt decide to keep it or mysel... 88/132: john m Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Mon Jan 29 17:59:09 1990 Whos Cable Pair? 89/132: cable pair... Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Mon Jan 29 18:56:56 1990 John Maxfield aka Cable Pair... Notorious detroit fuckhead hacker buster & child molester. hehe ->ME 90/132: Cat-wares Name: The Jabberwocky #100 Date: Tue Jan 30 00:15:01 1990 Does anyone out there have anything to utilize the enormous possibilities of the AppleCat modem? I used to have a few nifties, but that was a while back and over the past half-decade that I have been out of circulation(got bored) I have lost all wares except the piece-o-shit Com-ware II. This kitten will sing any song imaginable of pretty mf tones and even had a voice simulator which makes for quite a bit of fun. Anything which someone could u/l would be greatly appreciated. -The Jabberwocky 91/132: hello Name: Corrupt #114 Date: Tue Jan 30 08:11:40 1990 Damn!..finally got up on here as shit is tight....be looking forward 2 shooting the gift with ya'll shit..lemme x-late...wassup>? the 2600 meeting is this friday here in New york....I'm sure some interesting things will be gleeaned therefrom..if I make it.. Be Careful Everyone...(Ithats a sentimental reitiration..shit..(sp))) Corrupt[8lgm] 92/132: ammy hack warez... Name: Ravage #19 Date: Tue Jan 30 10:53:04 1990 what are the names for some of the hack utilities for an ammy? thx ahead of time. ravage rip the system 93/132: ... Name: Tak/Scan #44 Date: Tue Jan 30 15:57:47 1990 I run a AmyHack Discussion Center. I think those files you are looking for are on there. The 4th Dimension! 619-745-1xxx. Login PW-SPECTRUM. Newuser PW-Gunship. 94/132: tak/scan Name: Ravage #19 Date: Tue Jan 30 21:38:19 1990 thanks, expect to get a call from my direction in the next few days. 95/132: tak Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Tue Jan 30 22:48:56 1990 Could you u/l the amy hacking stuff to the Commodore directory? Thanks! me 96/132: Thanks a lot people Name: The Inspectre #63 Date: Tue Jan 30 23:03:17 1990 Now I can't even get onto the network from UT Micom. I have programs due for classes I have to work on on those computers. Now I've gotta go down to the stupid terminal room and wait around about 6 hrs for some goob to get off the sun terminals. 97/132: umm.. Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Wed Jan 31 04:01:56 1990 sorry.. but i wasnt the one playing ANY games.. 98/132: .. Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Wed Jan 31 14:35:05 1990 Yeah. Who the fuck was playing all these port 42something games on chaos besides Dark Sun? I was going to do some FTPing and hacking and I noticed that 5 or 6 people were logged on to the same port on chaos... Come on people! This is retarted. grey owl 99/132: 2600 and the Internet Source Code Name: Dark Overlord #94 Date: Thu Feb 01 04:01:21 1990 I will like to state that 2600's selling of the internet Worm source code was done without my knowage and I am not getting (or want) a cent. I think this is very slimy of them. -Dark 100/132: well.. Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Thu Feb 01 10:06:58 1990 i did lots of hacking at ut... so i played a major part in its downfall in that area.. but never ever once did i play a single game off there.. still.. i take FULL responsibility for stufing up the IV# vax cluster.. grr... did a login patch.. and set off an audit alarm.. that wasnt problem.. problem was that then i rushed.. and when i left, forgot to reset privs on loginout, so everyone could log back in, but no-one could log out moral: never ever rush a patch!! phoenix 101/132: port 42 Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Thu Feb 01 14:19:42 1990 Whats that??? If you mean 4201, I havent even looked at it for several weeks... DS 102/132: ... Name: Tak/Scan #44 Date: Thu Feb 01 16:06:43 1990 Yeah Mentor and others I will upload some a my hacking shit. not to much they suck anyways./ but I will still dot it.... The 4th Dimension! 619-745-1xxx. Login PW-SPECTRUM. Newuser PW-Gunship. Tak/Scan 103/132: FSA Name: Corrupt #114 Date: Fri Feb 02 05:51:25 1990 yo..you know how i get..lemme just say this ya'll **** **** * **** * * * * * * * * * ** *** * * ** * * * * * * * Africa * * * * * * * * *** Free South Africa - - - $ Nelson Mandella ..let the guy goalready! :-) 2600 meeting today..I'm gonna have some fun..we're gonna shoot homeMovies!! (thats sorrta a joke,...dunno if u get it.) 104/132: 4201 Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Fri Feb 02 21:54:10 1990 Unless you're calling through and outdial, it's not a good idea to do anything other than hack. This is only my opinion. grey owl 105/132: what?! Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Fri Feb 02 23:09:50 1990 Its a helluva lot safer to play a game than hack! DS 106/132: uh... Name: Guc #97 Date: Sat Feb 03 06:29:48 1990 could someone please give a quick tutorial on how to make use of the info in xfer section 12? .s 107/132: What is Phrack? Name: Warf #81 Date: Sat Feb 03 18:20:25 1990 Is it like some BBS Mag.? <=[Warf]=> 108/132: things Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Sat Feb 03 18:32:10 1990 I'm not talking about safety. When you're on the system and things are getting logged, it's not worthwhile to be playing games. You can do that legally. If you have to spend time under the log, it's best to make it productive. Phrack is a magazine that has been the longest standing electronically distributed magazine available. The articles are always informative and usually good! grey owl 109/132: UT Micom Name: Daneel Olivaw #9 Date: Sat Feb 03 19:12:17 1990 I am pissed... people are abusing the hell out of it just to play games. Dark Sun is one of the worst... For some reason he finds it necessary to play whatever he plays and do it online at UT. This is getting everyone in trouble, and I know Erik ain't exactly ecstatic (sp?) about some FTP getting shut down. Daneel Olivaw 110/132: hey Name: Corrupt #114 Date: Sat Feb 03 20:57:24 1990 You I went to the 2600 meeting..sanme ole stuff..running thru a AT&T building with flare guns..ranking and dissing..drinking and picking up women(men?) had sum fun..got rowdy.and ofcourse..a little talkabout this and that broing stuff..computers.. the Resteraunt with the nude girls was cool..the best part was On the Subway buggin out...singing..nmaybeI7ll sing here one day..dunno :-)) I also Managed To write MORE vms software..and got a BBS site together on the network..anyone Interested in checking it out (it's in new Zealand) Mail me here or On Altos [tchh] as vaxer or on QSD as box ...the info for the board is on Altos[tchh]Bullet as well but ideas/comments/complaints/a nd bugs can be mailed 2 me here as well. It's Semi-private? naw..I think thats the Last work I'll do..when i Complete the chatV4.0 and see it online I'll retire my keyboard for a bit . have A Good one/Be Safe network Ninjitsu GaiDan[8lgm]Corrupted 111/132: ... Name: Phiber Cut #34 Date: Sat Feb 03 22:02:43 1990 AM-ComputerCrimes 02-02 0151 AM-Computer Crimes,140< Criminals Have Discovered Computers< WASHINGTON (AP) _ Criminals have discovered the value of computers and are using them ``in crimes of unprecedented economic cost,'' the National Instiute of Justice said Friday. The institute cited a recent accounting firm study that estimated $3 billion to $5 billion in thefts each year by high-tech criminals. ``Increasingly, computers are being found in the illegal activities of drug networks,'' said Attorney General Dick Thornburgh. ``Drug traffickers use them to communicate with each other, record their transactions and transfer and launder money.'' The crimes include electronic funds transfer fraud and theft of commercial inventories. The report mentioned a former insurance firm employee in Fort Worth, Texas, who used a program to delete more than 160,000 records from the company's computer and also a prostitution ring that had a data base of more than 80,000 clients, their credit card numbers and sexual preferences. AP-NR-02-02-90 1516EST< 112/132: Hey, Name: Black Death #95 Date: Sun Feb 04 00:16:37 1990 Call the Unholy temple 408-249-5xxx New user password is "the Temple" have phun 113/132: ... Name: Tak/Scan #44 Date: Sun Feb 04 03:26:28 1990 Killer. I am going to set up something via - then nwetworks really soon i will keep you posted.. in the meantime- The 4th Dimension! 619-745-1xxx. Login PW-SPECTRUM. Newuser PW-Gunship. 114/132: Network BBSs Name: Pain Hertz #84 Date: Sun Feb 04 11:43:35 1990 Well, I have been interested in running a BBS on VM for sometime. I have the code for such and am quite capable of writing it anyway. Anyone else a REXX phreak? Anyways, it has been quite difficult to find a safe VM account on Bitnet (or any net running RSCS/JNET/JES2 and its compatibles). The requirements are that it is TELNET-able, has at least 2 cylinders of disk space, is able to run in DSC indefinately, and that the admins don't care about RSCS traffic. If you have such an account and are interested in running a BBS/Chat/Fileserver plz get im touch with me. On another note, CERT.SEI.CMU.EDU does have a receive directory (FTP) so feel free to leave you interesting notes for others there. -PHz 115/132: games Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Sun Feb 04 17:47:49 1990 Tell me some evidence to support your theory that I am one of the worst game players at UT! very interesting that you think that... DS 116/132: AIDS VIrus Name: Phiber Cut #34 Date: Sun Feb 04 20:11:46 1990 PM-Computer-Extortion 02-02 0333 PM-Computer-Extortion,0344< Man Arrested in Alleged Computer Extortion< CLEVELAND (AP) _ A zoologist accused of unleasing a computer virus that crippled computers in England and other countries two months ago was arrested on a fugitive warrant in Ohio. Joseph W. Popp was arrested Thursday and is being held on a federal fugitive warrant. He is charged in warrants issued by Scotland Yard in London with blackmail and extortion. During an initial court appearance here today, Popp, 39, told U.S. Magistrate Joseph W. Bartunek that he is under a psychiatrist's care and must take drugs for a mental condition. Bartunek said he would schedule another hearing after two psychiatrists evaluate Popp to see whether he is competent to face further proceedings. A date was not set. Popp, a zoologist who worked for the World Health Organization, is from Willowick, about 10 miles east of Cleveland, said defense attorney John P. Kilroy. It was not immediately clear whether Popp is still affiliated with the organization. The warrant alleges Popp distributed about 20,000 computer-crippling disks from London around Dec. 11. The disks were labeled ``AIDS Information Introductory Diskette.'' The U.S. attorney's office in Cleveland said the disks had information on acquired immune deficiency syndrome for use by hospitals, researchers and others. But authorities said the disks, when inserted into personal computers by unsuspecting recipients, halted accessibility to any other information in the computer. At the end of the program, the disk asked the computer user for a leasing fee of up to $378, then printed an invoice with a Panama address where money was to be sent, federal prosecutors said. Computer owners were told that the rogue program they had inserted in their computer would stop the machine from functioning unless the money was paid. At the time the diskette began causing problems in early December, authorities in London said it had been received by users in Norway, Sweden and Denmark as well as Britain. Scotland yard said at least 10 British computers were affected. AP-NR-02-02-90 1328EST< 117/132: Dark Sun's gaming evidence Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Sun Feb 04 21:14:41 1990 Whenever I did a 'who' from the annex it would show that you were playing games. I know it was you because I would log on to a unix and you would imediately notice that I was there. Also, whenever I went to 4201 (that one time) to see what was up, you were showing me around. grey owl 118/132: arg... Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Mon Feb 05 00:30:58 1990 Arg...ok, so Dark Sun is the TinyMUD gaming thug...or at least one of them... what a drag. I've half a mind to wipe out the damn program altogether. Download the source and stick it elsewhere so you and your buds can play it and not bother actual college activities, so people like inspectre can do their fucking homework. Hell, if it's that important for you mindless pre-pubescent twits to play fucking games call the ACT system and play their silly mud-like game, or call fucking MUD in england on the x-25 networks!!! if you need the nua for mud, or the number to ACT here in austin, just ask! But from now on fucking think about what the hell you are doing! Network only has so many queues! ->ME 119/132: NUA's Name: Captain Crook #36 Date: Mon Feb 05 22:10:25 1990 What are the NUA's for MUD and ACT?? 120/132: what the hell? Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Tue Feb 06 00:11:22 1990 are you talking about (is this some kinda 'revenge'?? When did I show you aroumd and what account was I using? I only have 1 account on there. And since I had my emx accounts (2 months) I havent even USED annex... I can get my 37 telnet sessions and my 3 outdial sessions going on at the same time, why use annex? DS 121/132: Watts happening to the hacking community Name: Cassius Cray #135 Date: Tue Feb 06 06:11:39 1990 Shit guys... a year and a half ago we were on top of the fucking world... now it is general mayhem and feds on every corner... I got into hacking the beginning of last year then I read in the paper about some guys at Ga Tech got fucked so I decided to take a vacation and read.... I heard about good guys up in New York, Detriot, and Chicago getting there shit seized by the feds... I don't know what ever happen to the guys at Ga Tech but the other guys are definately FUCKED.... what a turn around.... I am beginning to believe the Feds are starting to take this shit seriously!! Oh well... guess we could all go backing to pirating software... Nah! Cassius Cray 122/132: What happens is... Name: Daneel Olivaw #9 Date: Tue Feb 06 17:33:07 1990 people like Dark Sun who have "37 telnet and 3 oudial" sessions going at once. This seems to attract attention... I dunno why... gee, doesn't every CS major do that.. Shit, are you so stupid that you don't realize what attracts attention. They notice if there are 15 people (of 16) logged in under the same name at the same time. Daneel Olivaw 123/132: another round of busts.... Name: Gordon Meyer #65 Date: Tue Feb 06 20:27:33 1990 Today the feds announced, in a Chicago Press conference, that indictments have been brought against The Prophet and Knight Lightning for theft and other related "computer" crimes. (I didn't catch the rest of the charges). See my message in the Phrack section for more info. I've got the VCR set to record the news tonight so maybe I can cull some more info, but no doubt it will be all over the papers tomorrow. Holy shit batman! CIAO! -=->G<-=- 124/132: DNR's Name: Vet-San #29 Date: Tue Feb 06 21:21:59 1990 I'm in a bit of a fix here... I have reason to believe that there may be a DNR on my line. Can someone tell me how I can find out for sure? Do I just walk up to the local courthouse and demand to know, fiegning jingoistic paranoia? Any assistance will be appriciated... thanx 125/132: heh Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Tue Feb 06 22:41:06 1990 Yeah, that might work. Or try the local switch. Generally, though, I think you're just screwed... Mentor 126/132: A World of Your Own Name: The Prophet #104 Date: Tue Feb 06 23:55:15 1990 Imagine that you're deaf, dumb, blind, and paralyzed from the neck down and totally unable to experience or communicate with the outside world. How long could you retain your sanity? How many of you would choose to die instead? How many of you think you could muster the willpower to create your own little mental world to live in for the rest of your life, and how long do you think the hospital would wait before putting you out of your misery? -The Prophet 127/132: DNRs Name: Nemesis #122 Date: Wed Feb 07 00:55:49 1990 Well, you can check for DNRs (and all the info they have recorded) on your local neighbprhood LMOS system...Other than that.. I would suggest a little SEing with your local fone co.. Just keep trying untill you find someone who doesnt know whats going on, and have them check it for you.. The basic idea is to dial repair and work your way in farther from there...how far you will have to go depends on how gulible the person you talk to is...But asside from that, since a DNR now a days (at least on my fone--I duno what typs of SS you are on), is all digital, and totaly undetectable by any simple means. 128/132: Body Name: Sventek #137 Date: Wed Feb 07 02:13:46 1990 Once i loose my senses and Motion i am out of the picture. Other words no mental visons of anything. That would bring me in line of INsanity and Psychotic state of being. sl8r Sventek 129/132: what next Name: Sector #123 Date: Wed Feb 07 13:40:43 1990 PM-911Hackers 02-07 0449 PM-911 Hackers,0462< ^Two Charged with Breaking into Nine-State 911 Emergency Phone Network< ^By PAUL A. DRISCOLL= ^Associated Press Writer= CHICAGO (AP) _ A computer hacker broke into the 911 emergency telephone network covering nine states in the South and another intruder passed on the access data to other hackers, authorities said. Robert J. ``The Prophet'' Riggs, 20, of Decatur, Ga., and Craig M. ``Knight Lightning'' Neidorf, 19, of Chesterfield, Mo., were indicted Tuesday by a federal grand jury and accused of computer crimes, said acting U.S. Attorney Ira H. Raphaelson. He said Riggs was a member of the so-called Legion of Doom hackers group, whose members are involved in numerous illegal activities. Riggs and two other alleged members also were indicted Tuesday in Atlanta and charged in other computer break-ins. The government would not say if any emergency calls were disrupted or whether other damage was done during the tampering. ``These were not teen-agers playing games,'' Raphaelson said. ``They are thieves, they're reckless and they're dangerous.'' In the Chicago case, Riggs is accused of entering Atlanta-based Bell South's 911 system with a computer, stealing a copy of the program that controls the system and publishing this data on a hackers' computer bulletin board in Lockport. Neidorf is accused of transferring the data to his computer at the University of Missouri in Columbia, where he allegedly edited it for a computer hacker publication known as PHRACK. There was no immediate comment from either defendant. Directory information had no listing for Riggs, and there was a recorded message at the Neidorf residence. Neidorf's attorney, Art Margulis, said he had not seen the indictment so he could not comment. Raphaelson said industry specialists estimate that $3 billion to $5 billion is lost yearly to computer fraud. He said this is the fourth hacker case brought by the federal government in the past year. Bell South's 911 controls emergency calls to municipal police, fire, ambulance and emergency services in Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, Tennessee, Kentucky, Louisiana, North Carolina, South Carolina and Florida. ``People who invade our telecommunications and related computer systems for profit or personal amusement create immediate and serious consequences for the public at large,'' said Raphaelson. He said the 911 data was valued at nearly $80,000, but would not say how a hacker could profit by stealing this data, other than by selling the information to others. Riggs, if convicted on all charges, could be sentenced to 32 years in prison and fined $222,000. Neidorf could be sentenced to 31 years and fined $122,000 on conviction. Riggs and Neidorf are charged with interstate transportation of stolen property, wire fraud and violations of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act of 1986. AP-NR-02-07-90 0549EST< 130/132: Utter Bullshit Name: The Prophet #104 Date: Wed Feb 07 17:26:26 1990 Can you believe the above bullshit? Dearly Beloved, Gone but Not Forgotten: Phiber Optik Thomas Covenant Supernigger (gone, unloved, and forgotten) At the arraignment today, one of the Secret Service agents told me, "Everybody is narcing on everybody." Something D.J. said once: keep your friends close, and your enemies closer. -TP 131/132: fuck Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Wed Feb 07 18:44:45 1990 Rob, I cannot believe that bullshit. Good luck... Sigh. People, I don't know how much longer I'm going to keep this up. I mean, they seem to be going after people indiscriminately. Nailing Craig for publishing something in Phrack? That's bullshit. Utter and complete. Even assuming that the info was copyrighted or stolen (which I don't believe), how the *FUCK* was he supposed to know it? I don't even know what issue of Phrack it's in. Am I liable for it because it's up in my file section? If so, what about the thousands of people around the world that have copies of it. lame lame lame mentor, the paranoid. 132/132: 1000 calls! Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Wed Feb 07 18:55:04 1990 Welp, we managed to get over 1000 calls in less than 1 month! Good job, guys! (Caller #1000 was The Inspectre...) The board went up Jan. 13! me _____________________________________________________________________________ *** {"We The People" Sub-Board} *** < Q-scan We The People... 2 - 26 msgs > 1/26: This sub! > Permanent Message Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Wed Jan 24 19:50:03 1990 This sub is for the discussion of today's society, politics, economics, etc. All views are welcome... Mentor 2/26: Libertarianism Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Wed Jan 24 20:10:11 1990 Y'know, the more I deal with the government, the more seriously I'm inclined to take Libertarianism. Has anyone else here read _Atlas Shrugged_? Ok, how about _Alongside Night_? J. Neil Schulman is now making _Alongside Night_ available on floppy. I'm going to get a copy, and see if he'll license (or whatever) it to me to put up in the Transfer section. Mentor 3/26: io Name: Dtmf #27 Date: Thu Jan 25 03:18:56 1990 I'm sure most of you have probably heard or given this speech(?) at some time or another. It seems to me that many of the hackers problems today stem form disunity. Most hackers tend to be loners, and very intelligent compared to the rest of the "A car a house 2.2 kids and a dog" society. Because of this, we tend to do things alone, or in very small groups. If you think about it, and I mean REALLY think, not just in passing thought, if the hackers had a bit more unity we could accomplish quite a lot more. At the current rate, all (well, most) of todays hackers will have quit or been busted within 10 years. The newer generations are faced with more and more problems in learning how to hack, so the population is rapidly decreasing. What if we were able to put away all the petty bullshit and bickering and really go at this? The more experienced ones of us could teach the new people that show potential, and therefore continiue the society. A unification of the computer underground would more than triple the effectiveness, and allow us to explore more and learn more than if we continiue to go our own way. Just a thought, and not to coherent after 40 hrs no sleep, but I think you will get the idea here... Oh, and one more thing...Its obvious that every day more and more things become computerized...The more control we have over computers, the more comtrol we will have over our lives...After all, Big Brudder isn't my favorite guy.... DTMF 4/26: well... Name: Phelix The Hack #89 Date: Thu Jan 25 12:21:00 1990 Ayn Rand does have a well structured viewpoint that is well worth reading/listening to...I also suggest "The Fountainhead". One addition reason for the individualtiy of most hackers...and in my mind he the most important one is as follows: The fewer number of people that are involved in a certain orginization/society/group..etc...greatly edcreases the likelihood of an information breech. I am not just talking about "group secrets" (although it certainly applies), but rather am appling this TRUTH to the entire H/P community. I usually stand by a few general rules...one of which is "If I do not know you I do not trust you"...with the strong option for "I know you THERFORE I do not trust you". Yeah it would be just peachy if the entire "underground community" could bind together into one big close knit LOYAL happily Cleaver-esque family. Realistically though..this will not happen...nor do I think that I want it to. I for one HAPPEN TO LIKE a certain amount of indivduality in my life. pth 5/26: sex! Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Thu Jan 25 16:57:35 1990 hm...got some attention. I, being a MAJOR Libertarian in my beliefs, although not quite as radical publicly as I'd like to have the nerve to be, relate strongly to the needs people have when dealing with a totally overbearing and somewhat outdated method of government. Unfortunately, being in america, we no longer have minds in power capable of reaching decisions that would mold this country into something worth dieing for. People like that are now held back by the good-ol'-boy system of government. It's not what you know, but who you know, and how much money you have. I am kind of radical in my ideas about what I'd do with an ounce of power, but a lot of the things I feel strongly about are shared by a great number of mainly conservative types. Like cutting defense of Japan, nationalizing the health industry, legalizing drugs, starting a whole wide-range of social programs for everyone from the elderly to the homeless...etc... But, again, this IS America, where the attitude is to kick back and let things happen. We are no longer the new kid with the zest for life...we are the tired old redneck who likes to sit at the gas station drinking a beer and watching kids play while we talk to others like us about the good old days. Bullshit. But, until people like myself who are disgusted with this situation come into a position (or age) to do something about it, or at least let our voices be heard, the disgusting current state of affiars will continue. I just hope that by the time that happens, we all won't have fallen prey to the unbelievable degree of sloth that our leaders have fallen victim to. ->ME 6/26: well, if i said... Name: The Urvile #90 Date: Thu Jan 25 18:11:56 1990 if i really said what i felt, i'd probably go to jail anyway, so hey: kill the stupid people & start over. ayn rand with her little essay on how science and a totalitarian government is pretty fucked up. the only problem with that is that science teaches one to question, while any 'hard' government will attempt to suppres questioning. now all we have to do is wait for a government to come along that really does have faith in its populace, and really encourage the scientific mind. or maybe i'm raving again. it's good to be back, at least for a while. greetings, mentor, bloodaxe, jitter. shame i don't hear from y'all more often. 7/26: stuff Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Fri Jan 26 10:09:34 1990 Tennesee (AP) - (paraphrased) A judge today imposed a $1 (one dollar) fine on anyone convicted of beating a flag-burner. "Well, if they want to beat the heck out of a flag-burner, go to it." This assault charge carries a maximum penalty of 5 years in prison and a $20,000 fine. Jesus. While I personally don't like the idea of burning the flag, I like even less the idea of open-season being declared on flag burners. I wonder what the fine would be for shooting one? $10? Mentor 8/26: no... Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Fri Jan 26 16:25:25 1990 for shooting a flag-burner it would be 12.50 (50 cents tax, and $2 compinsation for the burners family) DS 9/26: hmm.. Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Sat Jan 27 07:28:09 1990 the main difference between russia and america is that the russians admit they are monitoring the fuck through peoples lives... 10/26: phoenix Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Sat Jan 27 12:11:32 1990 What's the government like in Australia? I have no idea how your system works... Mentor 11/26: Hmm... Name: The Apple Bandit #33 Date: Sun Jan 28 06:11:32 1990 Well always remember these: Dont Steal; The government does not like Competition. How about this: I was once walking down a dense path in an unknown forest, and I came to a fork in the path; I took the path less traveled by; and that has made all the difference! Or: The Last Freedom: The Freedom to Flee.. 12/26: re australian government.. Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Sun Jan 28 14:11:17 1990 theyre pretty cool as long as they stay out of my way! they lack the technology to monitor everyone.. which is pretty good.. and they arent the smartest people in the world.. which is also good... and basically if they start to fuck around with various diferenet laws.. ill move to another country.. still for now australia = good.. no problems with government here! 13/26: COOL Name: Silencer #31 Date: Mon Jan 29 20:13:57 1990 I thought about moving to Ausi land a couplke times....looks nice... what sorta networks you got down there...besides the basics...alot of countries have specialty networks that just operate in that particular country... - Silencer .s 14/26: hmm Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Tue Jan 30 07:13:07 1990 our FEW networks seem to be much more advanced than your networks.. but i spose we had something to do with that..! 15/26: Anarchism Name: Psychedelic Ranger #80 Date: Fri Feb 02 04:02:43 1990 I support the anarchist view. Read "Live Wild or Die" or something from the Earth First! camp (some of their stuff is dogmatic though) or Overthrow (a YIP!ster times publication) or SLINGSHOT or various other underground radical magazines. 16/26: huh????? Name: Phiber Cut #34 Date: Fri Feb 02 08:06:47 1990 When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro..... (From a famous writters attorney with a Mongolian birthmark...) 17/26: my favorite political non-joke Name: Mr. Slippery #72 Date: Fri Feb 02 23:31:51 1990 I did not create it but I love it ---> How do you know an honest politician, he stay's bought! Given that one California legislature was a little more obvious in selling himself than the others and got convicted will let the others act pius when they (1) must have known what was going on and (2) are more discrete but still sell themselves to special issue groups and vote against what is really needed. 18/26: good book Name: Gordon Meyer #65 Date: Sat Feb 03 09:47:35 1990 Another inspiring book is THE MONKEYWRENCH GANG by Edward Abbey. (a sequel was just published, "Hayduke Lives!" but I haven't read it yet.) Check out this book.... Abbey inspired the founding of the only (in my opinion) environmentalist group worth supporting and working for, Earth First! As Abbey liked to say, "resist much, obey little" 19/26: Earth First! Name: Psychedelic Ranger #80 Date: Mon Feb 05 03:22:34 1990 Some of EF!'s opinions (at least the ones held by the people such as Dave Foreman - the so-called "founder" of Earth First!) are dogmatic and one-away-from-the-real-issue. For instance, their main idea is that the earths problems are due to the fact that the earth is overpopulated, and that excess population is bad. Dave Foreman, or someone similar, said once "If AIDS did not exist, it would be responsible for the radical environmentalists to create one" which I think is bullshit. They need to look back at the cause of the overpopulation, which, in my opinion is the fact that our whole economic system and social system seems to be based around sex. Of course there are al ot of other factors involved as well. But I would still call myself a member of EF! even though I don't belive in some of their ideas. I agree with them that the earth needs to be protected and that people must learn or pay. But, as far as some of the stuff, "throw a brick through a plate glass window of some corrupt corporation" well, what happens then to the shattered peices of glass? They get picked up, and thrown away, or worse yet, just lay there. Either way, this is contributing to the garbage and waste level. The company will just buy another window, which pumps out more money into the economy, and puts more money in uncle sam's pocket (taxes for instance) which propogates the shit even further. So I think some of the "radical" actions are (at least time-scope wise) just another part of the problem. But there are a lot of variables here too.... I read an article in Live Wild or Die about a "puke-in" held by protesters at a local mall during christmas season. As a protest to consumerism, and shopping in general, several people ate a lot of strange, colored food with various textures. Things like yogurt, yellow jelly donuts, etc. were consumed. Then the group each drank some syrup of icepac (dont know if that is the right spelling) and took their positions in the mall by the Santa setup. Before they puked, someone yelled "Shopping makes me puke" and then puked all over the mall ground in front of everyone. Other members in this group of people held signs sayiing things like "The earth is dying and your shopping" and "shopping makes me puke" while they puked and raised a fuss. However, mall security ended up nabbing one of them, who puked in their office. THey all ended up getting off with nothing though. Kind of an interesting story. PR 20/26: Beautiful! Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Mon Feb 05 17:26:03 1990 Christmas makes ME puke. I wish I could have been involved in that!! Hm...how many more shopping days left? ->ME 21/26: ATI #9 Name: Jedi #67 Date: Mon Feb 05 23:43:00 1990 Does anybody have ATI #9 around? Nobody seems to have it, including GZ, and it's all that's needed to make the collection here complete. 22/26: EF! Name: Gordon Meyer #65 Date: Tue Feb 06 20:13:38 1990 RE: Earth First! Our problem isn't sex per se, it's capitalism and the rape of the earth for profit. The fucking Forest Service sells our national parks behind our backs, Uncle Sam protects the big corporation that our poisoning our water.... oh man..i'm gettting deppressed. It's Equal Rights for all species, and the protection of Mother at all costs..even over and above our own economic, political, social, religious systems. 24/26: They won't listen Name: Cassius Cray #135 Date: Wed Feb 07 06:57:19 1990 The Fed's are happy as long as the Trump's and Forbe's of the world are happy, they don't give a rat's piss about the middle class that's footing the bill. They'll let 10,000 acres of beautiful forest go under axe before letting some rich ass lose a cuple thousand ... Editorial opinion EOL. Cassius Cray 25/26: well.... Name: Ravage #19 Date: Wed Feb 07 09:56:11 1990 then it seems to me that some of this should go in matrix. what do ya think mentor and et al? does it sound like something the rest of the community would enjoy? 26/26: It seems that way... Name: Daneel Olivaw #9 Date: Wed Feb 07 15:59:49 1990 and it is... The government is run by the upper class for the upper class... as a memeber of the middle class, I speak from experience. Trying to even get a lowly city council member to accept an appointment is a pain in the ass, if not imposible. Doesn't the constitution guarantee some kind of freedom? Daneel Olivaw _____________________________________________________________________________ *** {Basic Telecom Sub-Board} *** < Q-scan Basic Telecom 3 - 77 msgs > 1/77: This Sub > Permanent Message Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Sun Jan 07 05:11:59 1990 This subboard is for questions and discussion on the basic working of the phone system - how it works, what's safe, what isn't, etc. If you want to discuss specific phone computers (TIRKS, LMOS, COSMOS, etc.), please take it to subboard #4. Also, beginners shouldn't hesitate to ask questions. There will be someone on here who can answer almost anything you can ask... Mentor 2/77: Basic... Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Tue Jan 09 13:52:17 1990 The other day I had the good fortune to type to a fellow hacker on QSD who asked me if I phreaked. I said, not recently, but yeah, I loved boxing. He asked me what "VMBZZZZ" had to do with anything, and proceeded to pester me for codes. This board is for YOU. ->ME 3/77: Welp Name: Acid Phreak #8 Date: Tue Jan 09 17:51:55 1990 If codes are what he wants, then this board SHOULDN'T be for him... --ap 4/77: Blue Boxing...Is it truly gone forever? Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Fri Jan 12 02:57:03 1990 Someone want to find out? I think one of these days we Austinites should get a few tapes made of random calls, and take a case or three on a drive out to the country, and look for places on step, or places with xbar toll offices and goddamn well find us a route to box again. I miss the hell out of boxing. I used to find ALL kinds of great stuff hidden away on the 0XX & 1XX prefixes. I remember one time me and a guy named MOB*RULES were scanning away in 512, roaming the tandems, finding all kinds of strange things that would wink and await further MF...he had some kind of MF DNR on his line though (because of some previous entanglements) and ended up getting a nasty call, saying to stop scanning, because one of the things we were playing with was some kind of GSA owned link from FTS to Bell or vice versa...kinda neat. (At least that's what he said was told to him...he lied a lot) I did find both the Houston and Dallas alliance bridges...when everyone thought there were only White Plains & Los Angeles...YES that was ME. Houston disappeared after 4 months...and Dallas was the chosen site. So what we need is the translate the 0700's and find a route that will allow us to box again, so I don't have to worry about getting my Long Distance bill ever again. ->ME 5/77: boxing under 5ess Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Fri Jan 12 22:55:48 1990 Could someone enlighten me? I have heard everything under the sun about this. Is is or isn't is possible? grey owl 6/77: Boxing... Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Sat Jan 13 00:08:53 1990 Of course it is... The problem isn't where you box from, it's where you box to, and the route it travels to get to a final destination. Our problem seems to be that our trunk routing to boxable areas, like 806 go through areas with toll centers having CCISS so it cuts the connection when you lose answer supervision via 2600. That's why I want to find some area that doesn't have this problem... ->ME 7/77: After doing mass research... Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Sat Jan 13 03:32:40 1990 Australian phone system sux. OK - does the following... pick up a line and it completes a loop, places you on common equipment. The only way you can send information to the exchage is through thi common equipment shit, and that will only acccept dtmf tones. It then translates your tone, sends them to exchange and the rest you all know. Problem with doing any form of knocking off a trunk is that the second you break out of the CEPT it breaks your loop, and you lose the line. I know all the tones and shit... all i need is a method to actually get the raw tones to the exchange, in orther words, bypass the common equipment. If anyone has any ideas.... Phoenix Jacking out.. 8/77: Fuck it. Name: Frame Error #5 Date: Sat Jan 13 11:54:25 1990 Everything is going digital at an incredible rate. We should find some other method that will allow us to defeat the telco, besides c0dez or boxing. It's going to be rough, I know. FRAME ERROR 9/77: swb Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Sat Jan 13 15:23:58 1990 Well, my friendly neighborhood SWB rep just finished playing with my lines for about 2 hours. Someone needs to scan the 512-442-xxxx prefix. 0161 is the test number for their 3M line testers. All of the Austin COSMOSes and LMOSes (that he knows of) are located in San Antonio and Houston. SWB linemen are going to be issued CRAFT terminals in the next 6 months. Regarding the line, the wiring in the apartment may need to be redone. He split my two lines off of the quad they were on, but they're still in the same cable. He's going to find out when/if they can run a second cable. God, I love INLINE service. Makes the $4/month worthwhile... Mentor 10/77: 442-016x Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Sat Jan 13 16:42:45 1990 When you dial the 0161 you get a 1000hz like a loop, but when you dial 0162,3,or 4 you just get a click, like you were connecting to the silent side of the loop. But, the tone on 0161 doesnt stop (perhaps muted?) BS 11/77: Whats happened to the 513 loop? Name: Wiz #25 Date: Sat Jan 13 19:00:04 1990 For quite a while now I have been able to call the USA (I live in South Africa) collect on the high end of a loop. All of a sudden the other night the operator told me that the high end of the 513 loop (513-921-1xxx) was barred from accepting collect calls. This is strange because just one evenening earlier I chatted to the Apple Bandit for about 20 minutes. Has the phone company got wise to the use of loops? Is there a probem with the 513 loop specifically? Any help would be appreciated, as I would be lost without loops. MPE Wiz. 12/77: loops.. Name: Ground Zero #30 Date: Sat Jan 13 22:05:46 1990 I wouldn('t use those 513 loops/. I'm sure they're being monitored, due to the fact that everyone seems to be using them. Use some other loops, guys. I have a bunch/... -gz 13/77: Ground.. Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Sat Jan 13 23:19:17 1990 Zero, could you putû up some loops for me? grey owl 14/77: Loops Name: Gary Seven #38 Date: Mon Jan 15 10:47:56 1990 Hello, does anybody have any Michgan loops? Id 313,61,517,906 area codes. If so can ya PLEASE post them. Thanks. Boxing, is it true you can create some sort of hardware called a BOUNCER that somehow tricks ESS into thinking your someplace else. Later 15/77: how do you make a bouncer? Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Mon Jan 15 18:02:50 1990 I don't know much about boxing...especially under ESS5! What's the deal on it? grey owl 16/77: Alliance Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Mon Jan 15 18:18:18 1990 I was on this conference a few months ago. The AT&T people said it was something like November 25th. I don't remember which conference it was, but it was appearantly illegal. (surprised?) The bitch on the other end told me that someone broke in to a business and beige boxed the conference, but not in those words. I was pretty pissed when she told me that they could press charges for the $15 bucks that my part of the conference costed! All I have to say about this is bullshit. There's no way that a 15-20 minute call from me to a conference could cost $15. None of them have been good enough to warrant more than 15-20 minutes. I think AT&T should be shot for 1) charging so damn much to call a friggin' conference and 2) thinking they can charge me for a reverse-billing meet-me. If they do want me to pay, I'll just say I thought it was legal. ("the guy on QSD SAID it was legal...how was I supposed to know?") They won't be able to do anything, right? grey owl (thoroughly pissed off) 17/77: ummmm Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Mon Jan 15 21:33:35 1990 If you didn't do anything but answer your phone, you don't have to worry about it... Mentor 18/77: ... Name: Tak/Scan #44 Date: Mon Jan 15 22:41:51 1990 I never liked AT&T and probably NeverWILL! Tak/Scan 19/77: You'll have to pay Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Mon Jan 15 23:46:15 1990 You called the Meet*Me Noone forced you to call... tough darts buddy. ->w3MEt( w3 ->ME 20/77: AT&T Name: Phiber Cut #34 Date: Tue Jan 16 06:58:08 1990 Well I haven't read all the messages yet so someone might already have begun to discuss this elsewhere, but here goes... I understand that 3/4 of AT&T National network was down last night. The controlling systems (N something or another) were ALL down around the county. Rumors were that AT&T shipped itself some bad software, but that's probably a line of shit. They haven't ruled out sabotage or a viruse, etc.... 21/77: minor note.. Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Tue Jan 16 07:34:47 1990 owl.. correct me i i am wrong... but one thing i would NOT say is that the guy on QSD said.. coz i dunno icalling QSD is the most legal thing in the world.. but never can tell :-) Phoenix 22/77: yeah. Thanx Phoenix Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Tue Jan 16 08:47:34 1990 I wasn't sure if trt:g (or anyone elses username:g is legal!) I'm just pissed that they think I'm responsible if someone else breaks into a business and beige boxes a call. Sheeeeit. grey owl 23/77: AT&T Network Name: The Dictator #43 Date: Tue Jan 16 11:12:01 1990 According to the news, the problem was with the "SS7" software, the network that is responsible for routing calls to their destination. Dan Rather (who even looked like he didnt know what he was talking about) said that when a call would be placed, the network would dump the entire translation and route the call to the recording "All circuits are busy". Aprox 56% (?) of the calls would not go through. The Dictator 24/77: Well Name: Gary Seven #38 Date: Tue Jan 16 18:22:48 1990 I myself found that fucked also. I was wondering why the Itt dialup wasnt working. Along with some otherThis is the Ctrl-D Macro routines wouldnt work 25/77: stuff Name: Silencer #31 Date: Thu Jan 18 05:38:08 1990 Well....luckily for me I was out of town during that great AT&T fuckup...Heheh....anyway: Does anyone have like a list of all the different types of switching systems..what they are capable of. improvements with each new ESS etc etc.....or at least know how I could get hold of this information? Gary Seven....herez some Michigan loops....dunno how many work.,..but some must... -------------------------------AREA CODE: 313---------------------------------- XXX-9996 XXX-9997 XXX= 977, 477, 751, 721, 591, 474, 671, 552, 898, 875, 369, 465, 321, 445, 722, 281, 626, 399, 868, 963, 683, 237, 256, 299, 886, 585, 665, 591, 561, 234, 569, 577, 822, 776, 465, 781, 478, 272, 787, 556, 575, 224, 225, 924, 526, 871, 995, 833, 471, 477, 252, 399, 397, 388, 277, 362, 483, 487, 497, 326, 649, 728, 292, 942, 934, 646, 356, 644, 851, 647 god damn...lots of fucking line noise...~.-a.. sorry|....?>~| those are all in 313...t~ the suffixes are 9996 and 9997....the prefixes are whats listed.....l8r - SILENCER ~~/S 26/77: quick question Name: Guc #97 Date: Sat Jan 27 10:38:10 1990 just how safe is scanning a prefix in seq. order? i recall hearing somewhere that ma bell will investigate if they see you've been doing so. I have non-sequential dailing programs for dos, but the ones i have for my c64 are just sequential (0001,0002,0003) and i'd rather not tie up my XT war dialing... 27/77: seq. scanning Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Sat Jan 27 11:01:34 1990 I do not believe Bell has the capibility to detect this (well, I guess they code if LMOS can store the last #s you called), but dont implement probably for reasons of there thinking that it would take too much time and effort... I dunno... All I can really say is, MANY MANY MANY people have been doing it for years and no problems so far (besides getting caught by some old lady saying your modem was harassing her) Hmm.. If you dont want to tie your XT up war-dialing, then why do it anyway? DS 28/77: Scanner Name: The Genetic Terrorist #107 Date: Sat Jan 27 17:51:08 1990 Does anyone have a random prefix scanner? One that will scan randomly from the lower bound to the upper bounded limits non-sequentially for the IBM? If so, send it up here. |07-|15TGT 29/77: wouldnt be to hard to make... Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Sat Jan 27 19:08:55 1990 Do you want to just take every #, scramble 'em and try each in a random order , or just a completely random scanner? DS 30/77: data taps... Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Sat Jan 27 19:10:58 1990 what is the best way to place a *STRICTLY DATA* tap on a line? (I guess it could record voice, but I'd like to use it mainly for data) DS 31/77: tape Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Sat Jan 27 20:29:11 1990 What baud rate? A good tape recorder will snag 300 & 1200. 2400 I'm not sure about... 32/77: Yea.. Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Sat Jan 27 21:58:07 1990 What would be a good PORTABLE model (By portable i mean easy to conceal) DS 33/77: try a VCR Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Sat Jan 27 23:52:14 1990 If you can spare your stereo VCR, you can monitor 3 lines at once! One line on each of the stereo channels and one on video==3 lines. Of course, there is a simple circuit you can build (I'll u/l it here sometime) that will turn on a microcasette recorder when the line goes off-hook and shit it down when the line goes back on-hook. Great for leaving in those CAD Pedestals...come back every now and then to change the tape! grey owl 34/77: nonononono Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Sun Jan 28 00:55:46 1990 You can easily conceal a stereo vcr behind someone's house or business? I'd love to see that! DS 35/77: vcr's Name: Ravage #19 Date: Sun Jan 28 13:52:03 1990 they make those little sony watch man with a vcr that you can hold in your hand. the size is no problem. as for recording check out the simpti (dont remember the exact spelling sorry) digital converters for recording audio on video tape. very good resolution. they should handle everything you could want to do. they are about the size of a 3 ring notebook. and if you use a wired remote type i/o to the recorder then you could use a vox. 36/77: but Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Sun Jan 28 14:13:30 1990 whod want to buy a tiny sony vcr for x millions of dollars ? and then leave it behind someones office, running the risk of never seeing it again ? well - id just jump at the chance todo something like that ;-) phoenix 37/77: 2 thing Name: Guc #97 Date: Sun Jan 28 17:02:01 1990 re: wardialing first off, i seriously doubt anyone will complain about someone harassing them when someone is wardialing. you only call each number one time, and how often do you call ma bell when someone calls and doesnt say anything just once? secondly, i just said fuck it and started from scratch on a non-sequential wardialer for my 64, i just need to come up with a decent algorythem that will eventually do all numbers in a prefix, while not doing the set sequentially. re: datataps i got mine working virtually error free upto 1200 baud. i've not tried 2400 baud yet, but will soon. 300 baud is damn easy and doesnt really require quality equipment, but noone uses 300 anymore, at least noone who has a password i'd give a fuck about. the vcr idea is a good one, but as Dark Sun pointed out they're rather hard to hide. i can cram my microcassete recorder INSIDE a phonebox. oh, right before the system went down last year, there was a discussion on slowing down tape roters to get more time per side, has anyone had any success doing this? If so, let me know, I'd love to find out how. .s 38/77: one more thing Name: Guc #97 Date: Sun Jan 28 17:07:22 1990 has anyone *recently* scanned 794-XXXX? If so, please upload the data, it'd save me a few days work. 39/77: no, but Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Sun Jan 28 17:25:40 1990 I'm gonna start on 5000 and go up tommorow, then I'll post the results DS 40/77: Well... Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Sun Jan 28 18:36:18 1990 one guy did manage to leave his VCR in a Telenet place. It was nothing but a room in a mall with lots of X25 machines and cooling equipment and phone lines. The idea is that it's a stolen VCR, hopefully. grey owl 41/77: First of all.... Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Sun Jan 28 19:55:22 1990 That was a fuckin' text file, and I myself doubt he really did it. DS 42/77: Random Dialing Name: Daneel Olivaw #9 Date: Sun Jan 28 22:14:41 1990 All you need is a perfectly random alogorithm, it'll never repeat until it has done all of them once.... alas, it doesn't exist. I see no reason to even bother.... Daneel Olivaw 43/77: hmmm Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Mon Jan 29 00:05:53 1990 Ok, I'd set the algorithm to make a 10,000 byte array and start filling the slots with a random number generator. Once all the slots had been filled (actually, I'd fill about 90% then assign the rest sequentially in leftover blanks), write the thing to a data file and have the hacker use it. Mentor 44/77: DataTaps Name: The Dictator #43 Date: Mon Jan 29 01:23:08 1990 DataTaps are fun to mess with...Whoever said that no one uses 300 baud anymore..Bahahahaha... Most of the small-time companies that connect to TRW, COMPUSERVE, etc...use 300 baud ... At least out here. Ive encountered a lot of 300 bauders. The dictator Not that I would do anything as evil as datatap anybody...nnonono.. 45/77: sony watchmans... Name: Ravage #19 Date: Mon Jan 29 11:17:19 1990 are only a couple of hundred bucks. it seems to me that if one doesnt have the resources to do the job first rate they shouldnt be doing it. this may account for the rash of busts, technological pre-emminance. the feds have a technological edge and are using it. 46/77: random.. Name: Phelix The Hack #89 Date: Mon Jan 29 12:15:30 1990 The problem with simply gerating random numbers is that the seed is likely to generate the same number more than once and some numbers not at all. Ex: a random number generator is told to generate 10000 numbers between the numbers 1 and 10000...it is certainly "possible" that all of those numbers will be the same. Here is a basic algorithm which will allow a non repeating FULL random number scan. NOTE: most of this example will be written in PASCAL with occasional explain nations in C. I will also assume that this is used to scan a certain prefix so the boundaries will be 1 to 10000 (or actually 0 to 9999...to save word space...we must be FRUGAL!) ok..define the following structure: TYPE hackrec = record of hackattmpt : integer end; VAR ^^^ whoops ...ignore that hackarray = array[0..9999] of hackrec; VAR hack : hackarray; ok..now initialize ALL elements "hackattmpt "to the array index..ex: for count = 0 to 9999 do hack[count].hackattmpt = count; when a number is randomly generated it is substituted as the index for the particualr array location..ex: the randomly generated number is in the var rand...hack[rand].hackattmpt would be the reference to the actual number displayed.FDé Every time a number is used ..the field hackattmpt is changerd to hold the number of 9999 (or whatever the last element is); and the filed at index 9999 is changed to the original index + 1. A chck is made to see if a randomly gernated index holds a value of 9999..if it does it will make its new index hack[9999].hackattmpt...and will continue ... its that easy...any questions? pth. 47/77: Okay heres a question Name: Alter Ego #110 Date: Mon Jan 29 16:29:11 1990 y'all were talk about Electric Switching Systems and you refered to them with numbers i.e. #1, #5... whats the difference between the two(besides the number)??? Alter Ego 48/77: phelix Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Mon Jan 29 17:35:41 1990 Hmmm... I thought that was what I suggested doing... nice algorithm, though. me 49/77: difs... Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Mon Jan 29 19:05:42 1990 the differences between types of esses are subtle...they have to do with new features, amount of traffic they are capable of handling, etc... One of the fortune 500 scanners runs off of an array 0-9999...it also stores busys etc, so you can retry them... The thing about the vcr tapping telenet/tymnet whatever...was that agent steal's file/idea/whatever? I really think that was just bullshit. Although I could be wrong... And by the way...I'm at 300 baud...but I don't guess anyone would be interested in any of the things I'm into... ->ME 50/77: Hmm... Name: Daneel Olivaw #9 Date: Mon Jan 29 21:02:41 1990 ESS: Electronic Switching System... my understanding (from a tech at SWB) is that the 7ESS can handle over 40 million simultaneous transmissions (i.e. data or voice or video), and I beleive over 4 million independant phone circuits. Theoretically, one 7ESS could handle central Texas... After I beleive 3ESS, they made a drastic move towards more ISDN support, and the 5ESS is the most popular here in Austin, I think there are 5 of them (not including redundant units, usually 2 per setup) Something that I remeber from working for a legal newspaer locally is showing people how to use their TRW terminals to search our online legal database. Those 300 baud pieces of termal paper fueled shit... but they worked... I remembered (luckily) a few of the accounts, but all are now invalid... oh well.. such are the breaks. Daneel Olivaw 51/77: look into Name: Ravage #19 Date: Mon Jan 29 23:13:46 1990 key hashing algorithms. you may be able to break the big array of numbers down into smaller groups. you could then select the two groups based on two seperate keys, group and member. this would mean that at any one time you would only be hashing one small group of keys. since very few search algorithms are linear but rather logarithmic a simple halving can have quite a bit of effect. just a thought. 52/77: Dialing algorithms... Name: Pain Hertz #84 Date: Tue Jan 30 02:12:53 1990 Pick a random number, 0 - 9999. Pick another random number 0 - 9. Say the first number is 3849 and the second is 3. We are dialing the 512 exchange so dial... 512-3849 add the 3 to first place of last 4 digits... 512-6849 add the 3 to 2nd place of... 512-6149 add the 3 to 3rd... 512-6179 add the 3 to 4th... 512-6172 follow? if the sum is greater than 9 just subtract 10. Count how many youve dialed, store the last number, position 1-4, and the number 3. and you can start and stop whenever... Also, this is going from left to right. If im not mistaken, you can choose the digits to add to in 24 different ways (4!) so pick another number 1 - 24. This algorithm won't repeat until youve gone through all the numbers. How many different orders are their to dial using this method? Well a bunch... I hope everyone can follow this... if not perhaps Ill write something a bit more formal. -PHz 53/77: Speaking of Name: The Blade #64 Date: Tue Jan 30 13:29:07 1990 Where has Agent Steal been? Havent seen him around for 2 months or so. Blade 54/77: that file Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Tue Jan 30 17:39:47 1990 Whether or not Agent Steals file was shit or not is not the point. The point was that it COULD be done. His plan was (practially) flawless so it is possible that he did do it. Are you confused yet? grey owl 55/77: Slowing tapre recorders Name: The Inspectre #63 Date: Tue Jan 30 23:15:24 1990 Somebody asked about slowing tape recorders a while back.. It's really easy to do on standard portable sized tape recorders, just open the thing up, find the motor (it runs the tape motors via a rubber band over a large wheel), yank off the small wheel on the motor and replace it with a piece of heat-shrink tubing or other soft rubber tube. Then put the drive band back and see what recordings sound like. I've can get about 250 minutes on a C-120 with decent (but not great) sound quality with this method. There's a way to get much longer play times with decent quality recordings, but it requires taking out the drive band system and rebuilding the link with a slower gear drive system, but most recorders are hard to convert easily and usually a VOX is a better investment. The Inspectre /e /d (doesn't this system let you edit a message?) 56/77: motor speed... Name: Ravage #19 Date: Wed Jan 31 12:15:06 1990 can be controlled directly by using a 555 timer to control a 2n2222 transistor in series w/ the motor. by varying the duty cycle you can get a lot of speed control w/o a loss of torque, a problem w/ varying the diameters of the pulleys, except at the very lowest speed. total cost is about $10. ravage back in black 57/77: mentor Name: Phelix The Hack #89 Date: Wed Jan 31 12:42:03 1990 sorry...must have misread your "random" post... pth 58/77: ravage Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Wed Jan 31 14:38:12 1990 That does sound like it would work (coming from you, I'm sure it does) but some people arnot electronically oriented as that (me, for one). It would be easier just to get a VOX or change the size of the drive gears. (or get a crappier motor!) grey owl 59/77: the basic circuit.... Name: Ravage #19 Date: Thu Feb 01 10:46:24 1990 can be found in most electronics texts under motor controller. it only consists of about 8-10 pieces and is a good intro project. 60/77: Tape Recorders... Name: Nemesis #122 Date: Thu Feb 01 23:50:29 1990 Well a _vox is easy, and switching pulleys is easy,{so if you use both of them, you~ could probably get a whole lot out of it... However, if you can put out a little money, Id rely recomend a real to real.. itdoesnt have to be a 8 track or 16 track.. not even a 4 track.. but you can get a lot more tape on one of those things then on the largest cassette... I mean a LOT. 61/77: 7e?? Name: Psychedelic Ranger #80 Date: Fri Feb 02 04:13:08 1990 Is this 7ESS brand new? I have not been up on the latest technology as far as switching systems go, I have been concentrating on VAX/VMS. The ESS versions I am familiar with are as follows: 1,1A,2,2B,3,4,5. The 5E, along with the Siemens EWSD, NTI's DMS-100F (dms 100 family of switches) are generally setting up the stages for ISDN. The 4E's are set up in toll switch applications in most cases. The 1, 1A,2,2B, and 3 are set up for different areas, they have different traffic capacities, different configurations, links to SPCS's, etc. etc. If you would like, I can post several msgs. about switching systems, just let me know and I'll post a bunch of specs. if you want them. Psychedelic Ranger - Riding the forefront of the psychic revolution!! haha 62/77: Badger Name: Psychedelic Ranger #80 Date: Fri Feb 02 04:34:10 1990 Is anyone else on here familiar with the BADGER test units? There is a Change Notice on one that sounds very interesting.... 63/77: well.... Name: Ravage #19 Date: Fri Feb 02 13:04:20 1990 put them up already! this is supposed to be a teaching board right? why wait for someone to ask? i know a lot of the folks on here have a lot to learn, including me. 64/77: would you get a little better quality Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Fri Feb 02 14:44:35 1990 if you sped up the tape? Even if you only got 15 mins it might be worth it (for what I'd like it for I wouldnt need omre than about 10 mins a shot anyway) DS 65/77: 7ESS Name: Daneel Olivaw #9 Date: Fri Feb 02 22:42:59 1990 It is my understanding (from someone at ATT & SWB) that the 7ESS simlpy offers more capacity. I know that 3M's 7ESS will be picking up several exchanges in Austin (i.e. Bee Caves, Fairfax & Fireside), and that they are reselling it back to SWB. Other than that, I'm not sure of the increased capabilities. Daneel Olivaw 66/77: Tape Name: The Inspectre #63 Date: Sun Feb 04 14:20:58 1990 Speeding up the tape will get you some improvement if you use quality tapes, but you could just go spend $300 on a Nakamichi and get great quality. 67/77: But Name: Psychedelic Ranger #80 Date: Mon Feb 05 03:26:17 1990 But I cannot post the whole damn manual...it would take several months just to type the thing in! I have other things to do...but Ican provide some info! Hm. wouldnt it be nice if we could sort of "concentrate" all the text in the manual into a very short transmission of data at an extremely high transmission speed that you could "un-concentrate" and then read? sounds nice.... Psychedelic ranger 68/77: A800 Name: Psychedelic Ranger #80 Date: Mon Feb 05 03:33:36 1990 Anyone on here know how to connect to non-standard routing/system codes without engineering an operator, a toll test board, or boxing the call? I'm talking of other ways... PR 69/77: 7ESS Name: Phelix The Hack #89 Date: Mon Feb 05 11:21:57 1990 Well... 7ESS was introduced in its Beta stage late 1987..as a competor to NT fully digital DMS series..the 7ESS is supposed to be essentially a 5ESS& that is capable of full didgital support right down to the A-D convertors...designed for a upper level CCIS(like 7)...and WITHOUT having to either software/patch or adjunt frame the existing switch...AND in that it is Western Electric..the plant engineers do not have to learn anything terrible different from what they already know. As far as unusual routing/mapping...there are a few interesting WATS lines that allow a dirct map to AT&T's DOM with out having to blow MF..thats right it is all done thruogh a DTMF menu!..pretty handy. pth 70/77: TIRKS Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Mon Feb 05 16:42:11 1990 Psy: could you possibly FAX it?? I'm not sure about what it costs to have something faxed, but I would be willing to pay for some fax charges. What city are you in? grey owl ps-why don't we continue this in e-mail Ranger.. 71/77: ... Name: Tak/Scan #44 Date: Mon Feb 05 23:19:42 1990 Anyone have a DMAT for NPA-619. thankx. The 4th Dimension! 619-745-1xxx. Login PW-SPECTRUM. Newuser PW-Gunship. Tak/Scan 72/77: DAMT? Name: Psychedelic Ranger #80 Date: Tue Feb 06 03:24:17 1990 Do you mean DAMT maybe? 73/77: WHY? Name: Phelix The Hack #89 Date: Tue Feb 06 11:58:21 1990 DAMT's have to be one of the biggest wastes of time..(right up there with Terradyne Fortel)... /t 74/77: h Name: Dtmf #27 Date: Tue Feb 06 19:48:02 1990 Anyone know anything about an Ericson Switch? I was, uh, well, anyway, I found this thing about an ericson (sp?) switch laying around...Said they were going to put one in here in texas...Along with some REAL serious ISDN shit in a few months...Eek, scares the hel loutta me.... 75/77: 7 Name: Nemesis #122 Date: Wed Feb 07 01:04:42 1990 From what I have heard, ESS7 is suposed to handel A LOT more than ESS5, I dont recall exact numbers, but it was an incredible ammount. I have also heard rumors that ESS7 is what is going to be the "official" type of switch for ISDN, apparently is is already equiped for ISDN, whereas 5 needs to be interfaced somehow. However what all this means on a basic level is nothing realy, other than that you will have a lot more places on the same switch under 7...Nice, so you dont have to find a different test number dial up for a bunch of different areas. I have a list of a bunch of DAMTs in the 619, around here somewhere, I cant find it right now, but Ill leave them for you on your board if you like. They are, however (like Phelix said) quite wortless. 76/77: 7ESS Name: Daneel Olivaw #9 Date: Wed Feb 07 16:01:35 1990 Your right, but since my docs to the 5ESS predicted ISDN by 1989.... hehe... I know that where I live, we are due to receive ISDN first in this area, but who really knows when. The 7ESS is manly designed for more raw capability.. what you do with that is what's important. Daneel Olivaw 77/77: austin Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Wed Feb 07 18:45:54 1990 Austin just added two class-type features: distinctive ringing & one other. What is it? Damn, brain damage has set in. Mentor ____________________________________________________________________________ *** {Hacking Sub-Board} *** < Q-scan Basic Hacking 4 - 58 msgs > 1/58: This Sub > Permanent Message Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Sun Jan 07 05:13:15 1990 This is the area for basic hacking discussions and questions. If it relates to a specific system, there is probably a subboard dedicated to it; but if you're just interested in how to get started, or what's popular and what isn't, etc., this is the sub. Mentor 2/58: Hmmm Name: Konica #47 Date: Mon Jan 15 16:08:52 1990 Well I don't see a sub for IBM's so here is my question.When you connect to an IBM 3708 you type port password but what do the passwor